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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It's all bull****, he was not suspended for refusing to recite the Pledge. He was suspended for being a teenage attention whore who wouldn't stand quietly while others recited the pledge. This won't go to SCOTUS, or anywhere.
    He does not have to stand either. The ruling made in 1943 included wording that said that students could not be forced to show allegiance by word or action. The action here would be standing. It was in no way necessary for him to stand up if he was not going to recite the pledge anyway (unless the school is using standing for the pledge to satisfy some sadistic need of one or more of the staff). It was not necessary for his educational needs, nor for safety or security or even disciplinary reasons of the school for him to stand for the pledge.

    They can't even claim he was a legitimate distraction when he had been doing it for quite some time, if not the whole year without complaints on his "behavior". The distraction would have only come from the teacher's reaction to him and insistence that he stand up.
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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is it really? ONLY facist countries have a pledge of allegiance to their national colors?
    Socialists do too. Bellamy was a smart man and a socialist. Personally, I think it would be great if you could say "the socialist had a good idea!"
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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Why should he be required to even stand quietly?
    Because the rest of the class is.

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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    He does not have to stand either. The ruling made in 1943 included wording that said that students could not be forced to show allegiance by word or action. The action here would be standing. It was in no way necessary for him to stand up if he was not going to recite the pledge anyway (unless the school is using standing for the pledge to satisfy some sadistic need of one or more of the staff). It was not necessary for his educational needs, nor for safety or security or even disciplinary reasons of the school for him to stand for the pledge.

    They can't even claim he was a legitimate distraction when he had been doing it for quite some time, if not the whole year without complaints on his "behavior". The distraction would have only come from the teacher's reaction to him and insistence that he stand up.
    Nonsense, the ruling did not say in any way that he cannot be required to stand with all the other children. Yes, it IS a disciplinary issue. Way too much being read into this.

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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It's all bull****, he was not suspended for refusing to recite the Pledge. He was suspended for being a teenage attention whore who wouldn't stand quietly while others recited the pledge. This won't go to SCOTUS, or anywhere.
    If nothing else though this shows that Texas really has gone way far to the right since I left in the late 70's. I would not stand for the pledge or the prayer (yes the prayer was still announced over the intercom every morning) and I only got harassed by teachers, once sent to the vp's office, but that was about it. No one threatened suspension or expulsion over it.

    As for me, I simply refuse to pledge to a country in such a fashion... well I suppose there might be a country wherein I'd pledge, but it sure wouldn't be this country at any time during my life. As a country, we are way too much of a bully and a warmonger to other countries, and too much of an oligarchy within. In order to get my allegiance a country has to earn it, just as individuals have to earn my respect.
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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Because the rest of the class is.
    So? That's it?
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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    So? That's it?
    There doesn't need to be any more. Teacher asks all students to stand. One student doesn't.

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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    There doesn't need to be any more. Teacher asks all students to stand. One student doesn't.
    That isn't enough. Not in this context.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    If nothing else though this shows that Texas really has gone way far to the right since I left in the late 70's. I would not stand for the pledge or the prayer (yes the prayer was still announced over the intercom every morning) and I only got harassed by teachers, once sent to the vp's office, but that was about it. No one threatened suspension or expulsion over it.

    As for me, I simply refuse to pledge to a country in such a fashion... well I suppose there might be a country wherein I'd pledge, but it sure wouldn't be this country at any time during my life. As a country, we are way too much of a bully and a warmonger to other countries, and too much of an oligarchy within. In order to get my allegiance a country has to earn it, just as individuals have to earn my respect.
    The bit about why you chose not to stand is superfluous. The teachers you chose to honor with your mini-teenage protest/fit gave you slack. Perhaps all the rest of the time you weren't an asshat, so they let your teen angst go. This kid may not be the joy to have in the classroom that you were.

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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    That isn't enough. Not in this context.
    Absolutely it is.

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