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    Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) An Arkansas judge on Friday struck down the state's ban on gay marriage, opening the door for gay couples to wed.Pulaski County Circuit Judge Chris Piazza said the 2004 amendment's definition of marriage as allowable only between a man and a woman is unconstitutional and violates the rights of same-sex couples.
    The ruling came nearly a week after state Attorney General Dustin McDaniel announced he personally supports gay marriage rights but that he will continue to defend the constitutional ban in court.
    McDaniel's office is expected to quickly appeal Piazza's ruling to the Arkansas Supreme Court.
    The 2004 constitutional amendment was passed with the overwhelming support of Arkansas voters.
    The U.S. Supreme Court last year ruled that a law forbidding the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriages was unconstitutional. Since then, lower-court judges have repeatedly cited the Supreme Court decision when striking down some of the same-sex marriage bans that were enacted after Massachusetts started recognizing gay marriages in 2004.


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    Another step in the right direction. Soon all 50 states will all recognize SSM.


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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Another step in the right direction. Soon all 50 states will all recognize SSM. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    i am going to give you a hypothetical.

    lets us say marriage is a Right, can someone who wishes to marry, .....use law to force [a church].. [a private business]..... [or government] to marry them?

    and if marriage is a right.....is it [a natural right]......or is it a [legal right /civil right].....[civil rights being privileges of government]

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i am going to give you a hypothetical.

    lets us say marriage is a Right, can someone who wishes to marry, .....use law to force [a church].. [a private business]..... [or government] to marry them?

    and if marriage is a right.....is it [a natural right]......or is it a [legal right /civil right].....[civil rights being privileges of government]
    Marriage is not done by the church. A wedding is done by a church. Marriage is recognized by the state.


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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Marriage is not done by the church. A wedding is done by a church. Marriage is recognized by the state.
    that is not what i am asking..........what kind of a right is it?

    and can that right be exercised on an institution......church, business, or government.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that is not what i am asking..........what kind of a right is it?

    and can that right be exercised on an institution......church, business, or government.
    A right recognized by the state.


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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i am going to give you a hypothetical.

    lets us say marriage is a Right, can someone who wishes to marry, .....use law to force [a church].. [a private business]..... [or government] to marry them?

    and if marriage is a right.....is it [a natural right]......or is it a [legal right /civil right].....[civil rights being privileges of government]
    You don't have to even go into the realm of hypothetical. The courts have ruled the marriage is a fundamental right. What I do not understand is how so many people believe the idiocy that declaring marriage a fundamental right that should be afforded same sex couples that this means they force a church to marry them. That is rediculous. No law states that a church must marry same sex couples. It just states that if the church chooses to marry same sex couples the state will recognize that marriage. Unlike making same sex illegal which has been done in some states. Where could be actually against the law to marry same sex couples. Thereby making a minister of church who wishes to perform same sex marriage, regardless of whether or not the state will recognize it, guility of crime. Therefore, although proponents of same sex marriage are not using the law to force churches to perform same sex marriages the opponents of same sex marriage are using the law to make performing same sex marriage a criminal act. Now who is violating whose religious freedom?

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    A right recognized by the state.
    again....... what kind of right is it.....a natural right to be married, or a civil right to be married?

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    again....... what kind of right is it.....a natural right to be married, or a civil right to be married?
    A fundamental right. This has already been stated


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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    A fundamental right. This has already been stated
    is that a natural right or civil right?

    because the constitution only recognizes natural and civil.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    You don't have to even go into the realm of hypothetical. The courts have ruled the marriage is a fundamental right. What I do not understand is how so many people believe the idiocy that declaring marriage a fundamental right that should be afforded same sex couples that this means they force a church to marry them. That is rediculous. No law states that a church must marry same sex couples. It just states that if the church chooses to marry same sex couples the state will recognize that marriage. Unlike making same sex illegal which has been done in some states. Where could be actually against the law to marry same sex couples. Thereby making a minister of church who wishes to perform same sex marriage, regardless of whether or not the state will recognize it, guility of crime. Therefore, although proponents of same sex marriage are not using the law to force churches to perform same sex marriages the opponents of same sex marriage are using the law to make performing same sex marriage a criminal act. Now who is violating whose religious freedom?
    what is a fundamental right?......

    there are fundamental laws.

    The Organic Laws /fundamental law of the United States of America can be found in Volume One of the United States Code which contains the General and Permanent Laws of the United States. U.S. Code (2007)[1] defines the organic laws of the United States of America to include the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776, the Articles of Confederation of November 15, 1777, the Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787, and the Constitution of September 17, 1787.

    if there are fundamental rights?...then they have to be natural or civil, .....because the constitution does not cover the word fundamental

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