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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That is still people performing those ceremonies. Those performing the ceremonies still have to be ordained by some religious sect, or they are simply JOPs. I think this would definitely be a special case, however, in all likelihood, this isn't going to be an issue to begin with since it isn't really the major denominations that allow such "drive thru weddings" to occur, so those who are ordained for those places, are likely already held to a non-discrimination policy as part of their contract in working at that job anyway. But you could have a minister who simply wanted to do weddings and make money from it. We'll just have to wait and see.

    Now, that being said, it seems also reasonable that the owner of such a wedding chapel could set a policy of nondiscrimination in their own business, meaning that although the law allows for individual ministers to turn down ceremonies of their choosing (due to the 1st Amendment), the policy of the chapel could be that a minister has to perform a wedding for whatever couples or there has to be an alternative minister immediately available or the minister could be fired.

    In reality, this potential problem exists now. There are people who do not approve of interracial marriages, interfaith marriages, marriages after divorce, blending families, and many other marriage types. So the potential exists already for these questions so the question is how do they deal with these things now?

    People are forced to do things all the time that still involve rights. You have a right to remain silent and yet you can be found in contempt of court for refusing to reveal information about something someone else did and/or said. You have a right to not associate with others, in your private life. In reality, if you deal with the public at all, even on your business property, you still will have to associate with some people you may otherwise not wish to associate with due to the laws governing business.
    i only to break it down as close as i can come to my question......

    does the ability/right to engage in a SSM...... also have the ability to force another person... business...to perform a ceremony for the SSM couple?

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    "unless you have your own personal definition of the US Constitution"

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.<-----happiness translates into property


    natural rights...are life....liberty and property.........


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    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


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    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i only to break it down as close as i can come to my question......

    does the ability/right to engage in a SSM...... also have the ability to force another person... business...to perform a ceremony for the SSM couple?


    You know better to ask such an open-ended question.

    what person? my barber?

    what business...Brake check?


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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    You know better to ask such an open-ended question.

    what person? my barber?

    what business...Brake check?
    a business which marries people ONLY.............VEGAS BABY!

    A PERSON.........ship captain ....baby!

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really, show me, where the founders state you have fundamental rights.......

    i see in the constitution..natural rights, and privileges..nothing else.
    You are not dealing with reality. Do you or do you not acknowledge we live in a Common Law society?

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    You are not dealing with reality. Do you or do you not acknowledge we live in a Common Law society?
    reality, is not constitutional law.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.<-----happiness translates into property natural rights...are life....liberty and property.........5th amendment-
    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.14th amendment- Section 1.All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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    Thanks for the quotes and your opinion on what you think the law means but, I'll pass. You haven't distinguished yourself as someone trained or educated in jurisprudence.

    Prior to 2004, same-sex civil marriage was not recognized in any U.S. jurisdiction. Now, 18 states do and the number is growing. Baring a SCOTUS ruling, many feel by 2020, a majority of states will recognize it and force an amendment to make it a federal law.

    Things are looking good for the future in regards to the right for same sex marriage.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    Thanks for the quotes and your opinion on what you think the law means but, I'll pass. You haven't distinguished yourself as someone trained or educated in jurisprudence.

    Prior to 2004, same-sex civil marriage was not recognized in any U.S. jurisdiction. Now, 18 states do and the number is growing. Baring a SCOTUS ruling, many feel by 2020, a majority of states will recognize it and force an amendment to make it a federal law.

    Things are looking good for the future in regards to the right for same sex marriage.
    what have i say already in this thread.........i come from a constitutional stand point......not reality...reality is not constitutional law.

    and i still have not received an answer to a question i have asked many times....from several people.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what have i say already in this thread.........i come from a constitutional stand point......not reality...reality is not constitutional law. and i still have not received an answer to a question i have asked many times....from several people.
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    To quote Louis Armstrong; If you had to ask the question, you ain't never gonna know the answer.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    reality, is not constitutional law.
    Have fun in fantasy land.

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