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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    state government creates privileges for the people...business does not.

    equality UINDER the law means..."all laws created by government will be applied to every person equally, no one will be exempt from the law.

    in other words, ....you cannot be held accountable for breaking a law, and I am NOT held accountable if I perform the same action you did.

    there is no EQULITY BY LAW.....

    government cannot give you a privilege to use on my property, which violates my natural right i have .....because I am on my property
    The state cannot enforce equality by law. It can only limit laws that are themselves discriminatory. That is the purpose of the Equal Protection Clause. Not to try to use law to enforce equality, but to limit states' rights to create laws that violate the Constitutional protections of various groups without serving any reasonable or legitimate state interests.
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    The economy will improve under this bill. If a few people die, it will be for the betterament of this country.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So it depends on the time. That is exactly whats wrong with our Constitution.

    wrong!....the constitution is not a liberating document....it does not give nor grant anything to the people, the constitution creates ....FEDERALISM.....THATS WHAT IT DOES.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Also what was wrong with our Constitution!

    wrong......with voting it merely says states are in charge of voting....the constitution does not give the states any powers, it delegates few powers to the federal government, limiting them.


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    Or it what was, if you dont have a dick or land, or were white, then **** you!!
    the founders wanted people who have a stake in America to vote.

    example...if you don't pay income taxes....do you care if income taxes a raised?.....no,... so if a politician tells you he going to raise income taxes on people, and redistribute it to you, ..are you going to vote for him...more then likely you will..............income taxes is stealing to the founders.




    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    In other words, if you were'nt a black, or a woman, or a peasant, THEN WE WILL DOMINATE YOU!
    wrong!!!!!!!!...and you show you do not understand what he is saying, so you post such a foolish statement.

    Madison is saying because of the feudal polity of history, we know that if you give the majority who don't have a stake in society the vote, they will use that vote, by measures of injustice to take property from those that due.
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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The state cannot enforce equality by law. It can only limit laws that are themselves discriminatory. That is the purpose of the Equal Protection Clause. Not to try to use law to enforce equality, but to limit states' rights to create laws that violate the Constitutional protections of various groups without serving any reasonable or legitimate state interests.
    I said equality under the law.


    it means all laws passed by a government must be applied equally to every person......no person is exempt from the law.

    you cannot hold 1 person accountable for doing an action, but not another person for the same action.

    equality by law is government creating laws, making[ forcing]people treat each other equally in society.....which they have no authority to do....I as a citizen do not have to treat you equally as I do another person.........it does not mean I can steal ,defraud you ...so don't go there.
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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong!....the constitution is not a liberating document....it gives nor grants anything to the people, the constitution creates ....FEDERALISM.....THATS WHAT IT DOES.





    wrong......with voting it merely says states are in charge of voting....the constitution does not give the states any powers, it delegates few powers to the federal government, limiting them.




    the founders wanted people who have a stake in America to vote.

    example...if you don't pay income taxes....do you care if income taxes a raised?.....no,... so if a politician tells you he going to raise income taxes on people, and redistribute it to you, ..are you going to vote for him...more then likely you will..............income taxes is stealing to the founders.






    wrong!!!!!!!!...and you show you do not understand what he is saying, so you post such a foolish statement.

    Madison is saying because of the feudal polity of history, we know that if you give the majority who don't have a stake in society the vote, they will use that vote, by measures of injustice to take property from those that due.
    With all due respect to the Founders, they were imperfect human beings who made an imperfect document, and granted to future generations the ability to AMEND that document. The income tax is one such amendment and it too can be amended if the populace decides upon that course.
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    The economy will improve under this bill. If a few people die, it will be for the betterament of this country.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I said equality under the law.


    it means all laws passed by a government must be applied equality to every person......no person is exempt from the law.

    you cannot hold 1 person accountable for doing an action, but not another person for the same action.

    equality by law is government creating laws, making[ forcing]people treat each other equally in society.....which they have no authority to do....I as a citizen do not have to treat you equally as I do another person.........it does I can steal ,defraud you ...so don't go there.
    At this point I am completely lost on how your argument has any relevance to the thread topic.
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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Marriage is a natural right if you view it as a contract between two individuals that is simply recognized and enforced by the state because it generally pertains to the property, life, and liberty of the couple.

    Marriage is a civil right if you view it as a license granted by the state and regulated to the extent that it can only violate Constitutional protections if doing so serves rational and legitimate state interests.
    ok.... if marriage is natural right....then can you make[by force of law] a church or a business, a private citizen [ship captain] marry you..preform ceremony?
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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    At this point I am completely lost on how your argument has any relevance to the thread topic.
    because some people believe equality under the law means.....government is suppose to make laws to see everyone is equal in society. This is false....that is equity by law.

    equally under law means.... governments will treat everyone equally.....not people or business.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    With all due respect to the Founders, they were imperfect human beings who made an imperfect document, and granted to future generations the ability to AMEND that document. The income tax is one such amendment and it too can be amended if the populace decides upon that course.

    the founders created a constitution that setup the federal government's structure, and instituted federalism between the states and the new federal government.......AND THATS ALL!

    IT DID NOT GIVE OR GRANTS RIGHTS, IT DID NOT FREE PEOPLE, .....SO WHY DO PEOPLE BELIVE THE FOUNDERS CREATED A FAILED DOCUMENT.........WHEN ITS NOT ABOUT GIVING RIGHTS to THE PEOPLE, OR GRANTINGS ANY FREEDOMS.

    the constitution was ratified by the states...not the people....because the states gave some of their powers to the federal government...the people gave nothing!
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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ok.... if marriage is natural right....then can you make[by force of law] a church or a business, a private citizen [ship captain] marry you..preform ceremony?
    No. The state will recognize my marriage but a church is private property and i have no right to acess it.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the constitution recognizes two different rights..

    natural rights which come from our humanity.

    civil rights / legal rights/ IE..privileges which are dispensed by government to the people, these privileges are to be dispensed in an equal fashion to all people [EQULITY under the law], unless [as you and I have discussed before] the state can show it is in their interest not to give a person a privilege.

    natural rights do not NEVER violate privileges, they have no power of force behind them to force another citizen to provide a good or service.

    privileges created by government do sometimes violates the natural rights of people .......because they are created by governments.

    therefore any privilege government creates and dispenses... which violates natural rights....life, liberty, and property of others citizen's is unconstitutional
    You are mistaken. Every single right we have guaranteed by the Constitution can be limited in some way. The entire point of the Constitution is to limit the power of the government and to help in determining where exactly the rights of one person begin and the other end when it appears that their rights overlap or are in conflict.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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