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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    is that a natural right or civil right?

    because the constitution only recognizes natural and civil.
    Well since we are signess of the UN Human Right Charter they claim its a natural right...
    But since recognized federal civil rights law in the US is grounded in our Constitution and is interpreted by the USSC, I believe theretofore marriage has long been established as a civil right.


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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well since we are signess of the UN Human Right Charter they claim its a natural right...
    But since recognized federal civil rights law in the US is grounded in our Constitution and is interpreted by the USSC, I believe theretofore marriage has long been established as a civil right.

    alright, then you have to agree then that the 14th amendment is about civil rights then, ..would you not?

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    alright, then you have to agree then that the 14th amendment is about civil rights then, ..would you not?
    Its about being treated equal under the law.


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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that is not what i am asking..........what kind of a right is it?

    and can that right be exercised on an institution......church, business, or government.
    Just because you have a right does not mean you can force people to do things, especially certain things related to religious practices. The SCOTUS declared marriage a right in Loving v VA and then again in several other rulings, including Turner v Safley and Zablocki v Redhail. And yet, churches are still allowed to turn away any couple, for any reason from getting a marriage in their church or performed by their clergyman. In fact, not too long ago, a black couple was denied a marriage in a church because some of the congregation didn't want them to be allowed to marry in the church. (The minister even did the wedding for them still, just in a different church.) The most common practice for churches/clergy when it comes to weddings is to deny performance of a wedding ceremony based on religion.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Marriage is not done by the church. A wedding is done by a church. Marriage is recognized by the state.
    Exactly, the wedding is more or less just a useless ritual to make the couple feel good... Marriage is a bunch of documents...

    The amount of fail with this one who is ernst barkmann is big.
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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Exactly, the wedding is more or less just a useless ritual to make the couple feel good... Marriage is a bunch of documents...

    The amount of fail with this one who is ernst barkmann is big.
    Actually, marriage is generally only one document for the couple, with a bunch of laws that cover people who are in a legally recognized marriage.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Exactly, the wedding is more or less just a useless ritual to make the couple feel good... Marriage is a bunch of documents...

    The amount of fail with this one who is ernst barkmann is big.
    Sounds like the sort of thing you'd expect to hear from a person who didn't bother with the useless ritual of obtaining an education and instead simply bought the document.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Sounds like the sort of thing you'd expect to hear from a person who didn't bother with the useless ritual of obtaining an education and instead simply bought the document.
    A series of actions or type of behavior regularly and invariably followed by someone = ritual

    I guess school is a ritual, but yes I am educated and am still continuing the process of education right now
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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    again....... what kind of right is it.....a natural right to be married, or a civil right to be married?
    Marriage is a natural right - it exists in all cultures in some form or fashion and has been in some state of concept since the dawn of man.
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    Arkansas judge strikes down gay marriage ban

    A judge on Friday struck down Arkansas' ban on same-sex marriage, saying the state has no "rational reason" for preventing gay couples from marrying.

    Read more here: Arkansas judge strikes down gay marriage ban




    I am certainly glad to see this happen, but it will of course be appealed, since there are plenty of people in the USA who will never accept gay marriage.




    "Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll.

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