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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i only to break it down as close as i can come to my question......

    does the ability/right to engage in a SSM...... also have the ability to force another person... business...to perform a ceremony for the SSM couple?
    dose hetero sexual marriage covey that right if not then the answer is no

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    we have had legal marriage in this country for a while now its clear that institution doesn't get to force any 1 not working for the state to marry some 1
    you give in a fools Paradise....

    government forces people to do things all the time.

    i deal in constitutional law....which deals in natural rights and privileges.......i dont care what common or civil laws says......because they never override constitutional law.
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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    dose hetero sexual marriage covey that right if not then the answer is no
    no entity has the authority to force another person/business to do things against their will, UNLESS they have committed a crime, or threaten the health and safety of the public...that is constitutional law..

    my argument is not about the type of marriage, but about government force being applied to citizens and business.
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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    we have had legal marriage in this country for a while now its clear that institution doesn't get to force any 1 not working for the state to marry some 1
    your missing something.... i am not saying you don't have a legal rights...IE civil right /privilege....which are dispensed by government.

    but government cannot give you a legal right...IE civil right /privilege on a citizens property...... ..............just like a citizen cannot give you a privilege on government property.............only the owner can give you a privilege on his property.

    government dispenses privileges, and they honor privileges........people and business don't.

    the 14th amendment is know as the civil rights amendment......what does it talk about?...privileges and immunities, and it states CLEARLY.....government will not discriminate.

    CONSTITUTIONS....do not apply to people.............people cannot violate constitutional law.
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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    your missing something.... i am not saying you don't have a legal rights...IE civil right /privilege....which are dispensed by government.

    but government cannot give you a legal right...IE civil right /privilege on a citizens property...... ..............just like a citizen cannot give you a privilege on government property.............only the owner can give you a privilege on his property.

    government dispenses privileges, and they honor privileges........people and business don't.

    the 14th amendment is know as the civil rights amendment......what does it talk about?...privileges and immunities, and it states CLEARLY.....government will not discriminate.

    CONSTITUTIONS....do not apply to people.............people cannot violate constitutional law.
    You still have not answered the question. Do we live in a Common Law country or a Civil Law country?

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    You still have not answered the question. Do we live in a Common Law country or a Civil Law country?
    do you understand, that constitutional law is supreme?

    therefore no common law or civil matters to constitutional law.

    the federal government cannot makes laws overriding the constitution.

    so why are you giving me laws, which have no power to constitutional law?

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    an example of what is .......equality under the law ....

    Hillery Clinton and i meet in in one of the 50 states, we get into an argument and Hillery slaps me, that is an assault by her on me.....she has broken the law in the state.......she must answer for her action by adhering to the states law.

    Hillery Clinton and i meet in in one of the 50 states, we get into an argument and i slap her, that is an assault by me on her.....i have broken the law in the state.......i must answer for my action by adhering to the states law.




    an example of a violation of equality under the law.



    Hillery Clinton and i meet in in one of the 50 states, we get into an argument and Hillery slaps me, that is an assault by her on me.....she has broken the law in the state.......she must answer for her action by adhering to the states law.

    Hillery Clinton and i meet in in one of the 50 states, we get into an argument and i slap her, that is an assault by me on her.....i have broken the law in the state......however the federal government also states i have broken federal law, because she once was a member of the federal government, .... the federal government applies federal law to me instead of state.

    all laws must apply to everyone equally...government[s] cannot make laws for some people and not others.

    equality under the law applies to governments................not people, ................people do not make the laws which could be unequal......governments do.
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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you give in a fools Paradise....

    government forces people to do things all the time.

    i deal in constitutional law....which deals in natural rights and privileges.......i dont care what common or civil laws says......because they never override constitutional law.
    ok but dose marriage let hetero sexual couples' force people to perform marriage ceremony's for them if you actually care about peel being forced to do things you should be worried about that

    if so then yes gay couples cod do the same thing if not theirs no basis to give gay couples that power

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    your missing something.... i am not saying you don't have a legal rights...IE civil right /privilege....which are dispensed by government.

    but government cannot give you a legal right...IE civil right /privilege on a citizens property...... ..............just like a citizen cannot give you a privilege on government property.............only the owner can give you a privilege on his property.

    government dispenses privileges, and they honor privileges........people and business don't.

    the 14th amendment is know as the civil rights amendment......what does it talk about?...privileges and immunities, and it states CLEARLY.....government will not discriminate.

    CONSTITUTIONS....do not apply to people.............people cannot violate constitutional law.
    you seem to be missing a point yourself gay marriage doesn't crate a new situation the question is can any 2 people force some one to perform a marge ceremony for them

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    ok but dose marriage let hetero sexual couples' force people to perform marriage ceremony's for them if you actually care about peel being forced to do things you should be worried about that

    if so then yes gay couples cod do the same thing if not theirs no basis to give gay couples that power
    i have stated the position, their is no authority anywhere to force anyone, to do things against their will if they have committed no crime or endangered heath or safety, ..people have liberty to make decisions in their life's based on what they want to do.

    commerce is based on a free exchange, not a coerced exchange.......feelings , emotions do not enter not the picture.

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