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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry, but you are creating a false trail, i never said you were for a church to be forced.....or every reading any such story



    i declared in the thread the at its beginning that force would come to citizens and business, and i was told again.......what citizen ? what business?. as if i was making things up...its clear some in here do not know was is happening...i do have to say, i don't find you lacking knowledge, however i don't see why you cannot predict the future and know what is coming

    -the abolishing of individual rights.
    Except you can't prove that this is truly a likelihood. It hasn't happened yet, and the same conditions are present without having same sex couples allowed to marry.

    All same sex marriage being legal does is expand individual rights. Everything you list as "possible" from the argument you've made is possible now, and has been possible for decades, even centuries, since the US became a country and legally recognized marriages. It's likelihood of happening however is very small. It was more possible to happen back before we had as many different ways to get the marriage ceremony as we do now. In the past, much fewer people were available to perform a marriage which meant fewer choices in who could do a ceremony, but almost the same probability (or possibly higher) that a clergy member would turn a person away when it came to performing the ceremony.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    If there is anything I have taken away from this thread, it is how valuable my legal education has been. The mind-boggling lack of understanding of US law and the constitution demonstrated by a certain user in this thread is honestly flooring me. This is why all of our congress members are lawyers. You need to know the law before you are qualified to make laws.

    There is no version of equality that includes preventing gays from marrying but not straights. No one is forcing anyone to perform marriage ceremonies. The Articles of Confederation and the Declaration of Independence aren't law. The constitution makes no distinctions between natural rights or civil rights. And now I have a headache.
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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by deuce View Post
    you're forced to run a business that caters to weddings? That's new...

    Or are you saying they are "forced" to do it in the same way your airline pilot is forced to undergo recurrent training in order to fly you around. That costs money, you know. Is that not involuntary servitude?
    thats not even a good response....a pilot works for a company and must perform the duties and training required by the company he works for, if not he can be fired.

    A business owner works for himself, in his own interest, as long as he is not committing a crime, or endangering the public thru health and safety government has no authority to apply force to him.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    If there is anything I have taken away from this thread, it is how valuable my legal education has been. The mind-boggling lack of understanding of US law and the constitution demonstrated by a certain user in this thread is honestly flooring me. This is why all of our congress members are lawyers. You need to know the law before you are qualified to make laws.

    There is no version of equality that includes preventing gays from marrying but not straights. No one is forcing anyone to perform marriage ceremonies. The Articles of Confederation and the Declaration of Independence aren't law. The constitution makes no distinctions between natural rights or civil rights. And now I have a headache.
    i personal think you have no idea what equality under the law means...

    civil rights ...are privileges mentioned in the Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post

    book/title 1 page 1

    http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/sa...s_at_large.pdf

    your going to have to scroll to page 1

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i personal think you have no idea what equality under the law means...

    civil rights ...are privileges mentioned in the Constitution.
    Wanna try, you know... current law?
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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i personal think you have no idea what equality under the law means...

    civil rights ...are privileges mentioned in the Constitution.
    The Organic Laws of the United States of America can be found in Volume One of the United States Code which contains the General and Permanent Laws of the United States. U.S. Code (2007)[1] defines the organic laws of the United States of America to include the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776, the Articles of Confederation of November 15, 1777, the Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787, and the Constitution of September 17, 1787.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Wanna try, you know... current law?
    excuse me, what are you stating, please be more clear.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    The Origin of Federal Civil Rights Laws

    During the period immediately following the Civil War, civil rights legislation was originally enacted by Congress, based upon its power under the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments to pass laws to enforce these rights. The first two of these laws were based upon the civil rights act of 1866 (42 U.S.C.A. § 1982), which had preceded the Fourteenth Amendment.

    The first civil rights law guaranteed equal rights under the law for all people who lived within the jurisdiction of the United States. The second guaranteed each citizen an equal right to own, inherit, rent, purchase, and sell real property as well as personal property. The third original civil rights law, the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871 (17 Stat. 13), provided citizens with the right to bring a civil action for a violation of protected rights. The fourth law made violation of such rights a criminal offense.


    The term Privileges and Immunities is related to civil rights. Privileges and immunities encompass all rights of individuals that relate to people, places, and real and Personal Property. Privileges include all of the legal benefits [legal rights]of living in the United States, such as the freedom to sell land, draft a will, or obtain a Divorce. Immunities are the protections afforded by law that prevent the government or other people from hindering another's enjoyment of his or her life, such as the right to be free from illegal searches and seizures and the freedom to practice religion without government persecution. The Privileges and Immunities Clause in Article IV of the U.S. Constitution states, "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States." The clause is designed to prevent each state from discriminating against the people in other states in favor of its own citizens.





    CHAPTER 18 | Document 26

    Noah Webster--
    The constitutions are republican
    [/B], and the laws of education are monarchical. The former extend civil rights to every honest industrious man; the latter deprive a large proportion of the citizens of a most valuable privilege.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i do know the fact that constitutional law,..is supreme..... and no law is higher!
    You still have not answered the question. Is the United States of America a Common Law country or a Civil Law country? Answer the question please.

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    Re: Arkansas Judge Strikes Down State's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    anything that deals in force, concerns me......laws , and polices take place many times, without the consequences being known, until they materialize after its too late.
    we have had legal marriage in this country for a while now its clear that institution doesn't get to force any 1 not working for the state to marry some 1

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