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    Re: More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    The Obama administration's policies are clearly worse then useless (IMO).

    But I highly doubt things would be much better under the Reps.

    Remember, it was Bush that ramped up the insane 'low income housing policy' into high gear (apparently it was a huge priority for him) which led to the Great Recession. Sure, everyone went along with it...but ramping it up was his baby.
    Plus, under his administration, a bunch of ridiculous policies were enacted...like TARP, bailing out GM and Chrysler, approving Bernanke as Fed Chair (and supporting his idiotic policies), agreeing to the Fed to essentially buy AIG, 'too big to fail' and he ran one huge deficit after another which culminated in the massive one he posted in his last FY in office.
    And most/all of these policies he received support from the Reps on.

    Face it, both parties at the top are utterly clueless as to how to properly run an economy...even today.

    IMO, the Reps and the Dems are just two faces of the same political beast.
    Yeah Bush sucked too but obama is even worse.

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    Re: More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    2009, 2010, and 2011? Hmm, I wonder if anything happened in 2008 that would explain this

    And what year is it now?
    your way off,it might be something in 2007,2008 would be a year late and a dollar short.
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    Re: More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    There is no way to give this a positive spin, obama's socialist policies are killing our economy.

    "The American economy is less entrepreneurial now than at any point in the last three decades. That's the conclusion of a new study out from the Brookings Institution, which looks at the rates of new business creation and destruction since 1978.

    Not only that, but during the most recent three years of the study -- 2009, 2010 and 2011 -- businesses were collapsing faster than they were being formed, a first. Overall, new businesses creation (measured as the share of all businesses less than one year old) declined by about half from 1978 to 2011."
    Just going out on a limb here, but perhaps an additional $73 billion in government regulations each year have something to do with it? Not to mention the 400-plus employers that have cut hours or positions because of Obamacare—or the overall hostile business climate in which businesses are reminded they didn’t achieve anything on their own.

    So much for jobs being “saved or created.”


    More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up | The Weekly Standard
    i doubt obama has any socialist policies in practice.for one his policies have almost mirrored bush,but to a higher extreme,and bush practiced keynesian economics.


    but to a point numerous fctors exist,such as the fact since the 80's federal regulatory agencies have been pushing restrictions designed to eliminate competition,and favor select donors.we also have numerous state county and local sets of taxes and regs overlapped over federal regs,mostly as local govts means to collect taxes and permit fees in a bad economy,while ignoring how bad they are hurting themselves,
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    Re: More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    There is no way to give this a positive spin, obama's socialist policies are killing our economy.

    "The American economy is less entrepreneurial now than at any point in the last three decades. That's the conclusion of a new study out from the Brookings Institution, which looks at the rates of new business creation and destruction since 1978.

    Not only that, but during the most recent three years of the study -- 2009, 2010 and 2011 -- businesses were collapsing faster than they were being formed, a first. Overall, new businesses creation (measured as the share of all businesses less than one year old) declined by about half from 1978 to 2011."
    Just going out on a limb here, but perhaps an additional $73 billion in government regulations each year have something to do with it? Not to mention the 400-plus employers that have cut hours or positions because of Obamacare—or the overall hostile business climate in which businesses are reminded they didn’t achieve anything on their own.

    So much for jobs being “saved or created.”


    More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up | The Weekly Standard
    Well: there are some reasonable explanations.

    #1: How many old businesses are still in business? Are they expanding, growing, hiring more employees? Or are they stagnant and even hiring less employees? Established businesses advancing and developing further is a huge pool for creating new jobs. But many people don't think about this.

    #2: Look around your area: do you see any gaps that need to be filled with a new business?

    I see none where I live. Small town: we have a library, schools, a bank, hardware store, a few factories, farms and distribution centers, two restaurants, a gas station, post office, a uhaul place, and a small convenient store that sells food and even clothing.

    Those are all the businesses in my town that I can think of though I'm sure there are a few more - there - we have all the basics in life covered. I see no need for anything else.

    #3: Beyond need: there's want. Niche interests. This might include book stores and hobby shops.

    #4: Existing businesses and new businesses: are they replacing people with technology, reducing hours, demanding people take on more responibilities that were once deligated to two or more people? Are they restructuring their business to be reliant on less people. Are they outsourcing?

    #5: The time and effort it takes to start a new business is considerably more strict than in years past. In regulations alone the bureau 'branch' of government has made it significantly more complicated to start a business and advance a business.

    It's a complicated topic.
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    Re: More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well: there are some reasonable explanations.

    #1: How many old businesses are still in business? Are they expanding, growing, hiring more employees? Or are they stagnant and even hiring less employees? Established businesses advancing and developing further is a huge pool for creating new jobs. But many people don't think about this.

    #2: Look around your area: do you see any gaps that need to be filled with a new business?

    I see none where I live. Small town: we have a library, schools, a bank, hardware store, a few factories, farms and distribution centers, two restaurants, a gas station, post office, a uhaul place, and a small convenient store that sells food and even clothing.

    Those are all the businesses in my town that I can think of though I'm sure there are a few more - there - we have all the basics in life covered. I see no need for anything else.

    #3: Beyond need: there's want. Niche interests. This might include book stores and hobby shops.

    #4: Existing businesses and new businesses: are they replacing people with technology, reducing hours, demanding people take on more responibilities that were once deligated to two or more people? Are they restructuring their business to be reliant on less people. Are they outsourcing?

    #5: The time and effort it takes to start a new business is considerably more strict than in years past. In regulations alone the bureau 'branch' of government has made it significantly more complicated to start a business and advance a business.

    It's a complicated topic.
    Heya Auntie Mmmmm. That's where that job issue also comes into Play and where BO says he has made gains. Despite Bowles Simpson saying we needed 239k jobs a month to get back to where we were.

    You are Right about Regulations.....even BO's Special package. He has 20k in regulations. Which all will be discovering some of that this coming year.

    But even Barring that.....its the Jobs.




    Why 100,000 jobs a month won't lower unemployment rate.....

    How's that? Well, if the whole economy, including government, ticked along at a pace of 100,000 job gains per month, it wouldn't be fast enough to account for natural demographic growth in the labor force. A rising population means about that many new people should be entering the workforce each month.

    So a modest pace of 100,000 jobs a month is certainly better than declines, but it doesn't begin to fill America's jobs hole. .....snip~

    Why 100,000 jobs a month won't lower unemployment rate - CSMonitor.com

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1063237175

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    Re: More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    There is no way to give this a positive spin, obama's socialist policies are killing our economy.

    "The American economy is less entrepreneurial now than at any point in the last three decades. That's the conclusion of a new study out from the Brookings Institution, which looks at the rates of new business creation and destruction since 1978.

    Not only that, but during the most recent three years of the study -- 2009, 2010 and 2011 -- businesses were collapsing faster than they were being formed, a first. Overall, new businesses creation (measured as the share of all businesses less than one year old) declined by about half from 1978 to 2011."
    Just going out on a limb here, but perhaps an additional $73 billion in government regulations each year have something to do with it? Not to mention the 400-plus employers that have cut hours or positions because of Obamacare—or the overall hostile business climate in which businesses are reminded they didn’t achieve anything on their own.

    So much for jobs being “saved or created.”


    More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up | The Weekly Standard
    Good thing we have a huge safety net, endless jobless benefits... /smh
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    Re: More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    There is no way to give this a positive spin, obama's socialist policies are killing our economy.

    "The American economy is less entrepreneurial now than at any point in the last three decades. That's the conclusion of a new study out from the Brookings Institution, which looks at the rates of new business creation and destruction since 1978.

    Not only that, but during the most recent three years of the study -- 2009, 2010 and 2011 -- businesses were collapsing faster than they were being formed, a first. Overall, new businesses creation (measured as the share of all businesses less than one year old) declined by about half from 1978 to 2011."
    Just going out on a limb here, but perhaps an additional $73 billion in government regulations each year have something to do with it? Not to mention the 400-plus employers that have cut hours or positions because of Obamacare—or the overall hostile business climate in which businesses are reminded they didn’t achieve anything on their own.

    So much for jobs being “saved or created.”


    More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up | The Weekly Standard
    Corporate Capitalism isn't a mechanism to advance competition and free market participation. It's meant to kill competition, to kill new business before it can start, and to freeze out they system so that the elite may never be challenged or displaced.

    Not just Obama, this is the Republocrat machine.
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    Re: More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Yeah Bush sucked too but obama is even worse.
    To first order they are the same. Big government, big war, big brother, big corporation fascists.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well: there are some reasonable explanations.

    #1: How many old businesses are still in business? Are they expanding, growing, hiring more employees? Or are they stagnant and even hiring less employees? Established businesses advancing and developing further is a huge pool for creating new jobs. But many people don't think about this.

    #2: Look around your area: do you see any gaps that need to be filled with a new business?

    I see none where I live. Small town: we have a library, schools, a bank, hardware store, a few factories, farms and distribution centers, two restaurants, a gas station, post office, a uhaul place, and a small convenient store that sells food and even clothing.

    Those are all the businesses in my town that I can think of though I'm sure there are a few more - there - we have all the basics in life covered. I see no need for anything else.

    #3: Beyond need: there's want. Niche interests. This might include book stores and hobby shops.

    #4: Existing businesses and new businesses: are they replacing people with technology, reducing hours, demanding people take on more responibilities that were once deligated to two or more people? Are they restructuring their business to be reliant on less people. Are they outsourcing?

    #5: The time and effort it takes to start a new business is considerably more strict than in years past. In regulations alone the bureau 'branch' of government has made it significantly more complicated to start a business and advance a business.

    It's a complicated topic.
    #5: The time and effort it takes to start a new business is considerably more strict than in years past. In regulations alone the bureau 'branch' of government has made it significantly more complicated to start a business and advance a business.
    That one right there by far. All the rest have always been factors against new business, along with even more. Its the regulations and taxes that are making it more difficult to enter the market, especially the regulations now they are becoming onerous. I will give a personal example. I own a small specialized logistic company out here in Bakersfield. I specialize in providing trucks to move oil field drilling mud supplies from the mud supply warehouse to the drilling rigs and moving the supplies jobsite to jobsite. I have one unit with a piggyback forklift, and I contract others. We also do interstate and long distance hotshot runs for the oilfield companies as well.

    California has a Air Resources Board which regulates industry out here for the purposes of reducing pollution, so they say. They have been implementing regulations that have been making my equipment and my contractors equipment obsolete. The regulations are such that we have to invest significant sums of money into new equipment and or retrofits of existing equipment. Now for a large company this is generally easier to do as almost all rotate their equipment on a 3-5 year basis so most of their equipment except for very specialized units will be rotated out over a relatively short period of time. They make their money on volume of business and economy of scale. Small companies don't do that in fact they do the opposite most times. They buy and run their equipment for long terms on the order of a 8 to 11 year or longer basis. They make their money based primarily on efficiency by extending equipment life though better care of it and keeping costs to a minimum and amortizing the cost of the equipment over extended periods of time. The rates of an small company and a large company will generally be similar as rates and service are generally considered a standardized commodity for most situations. Now California in order to get people to comply more readily, has some grant programs for helping to alleviate the pain. However as with all government programs there are strings attached. The strings for large operations and small operations are different. Large companies generally don't have to keep their vehicles as long or have as onerous of operating restrictions. On the strings attached that has prevented me from utilizing the programs was I had to keep the unit in California for 7 years, and operate 90% of miles within the central valley. The 7 years thing I am willing to take a chance on. The 90% of my miles in the central valley is a deal breaker. My operations take me out of state let alone the valley. Because of the strings and lack of flexibility with the grant programs companies like UPS and JB Hunt et al get the lions share of the funding which was ironically supposed to go to small operations which is a majority of the trucking business in the state and nationwide. Now you wanna know the rub of the whole deal? This round of regulations is just the first in a series. This is to get the trucks to EPA 2010 standards by 2023. They have already announced plans to further regulate the trucks to tighter standards. So after everyone is done going though one hoop they get to do it again. I haven't even gotten started on the ex post facto part of the deal for me and my contractors. That's what I am dealing with as a small business owner for ONE agency. I will spare you some the joys of the other agencies as I wanted to give you a small glimpse into how regulations these days dramatically effect small business.
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    Re: More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Corporate Capitalism isn't a mechanism to advance competition and free market participation. It's meant to kill competition, to kill new business before it can start, and to freeze out they system so that the elite may never be challenged or displaced.

    Not just Obama, this is the Republocrat machine.
    Really?

    Are you sure it isn't a combination of global free trade signed into law by president Clinton, and Obamacare?

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