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Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists[W:130]

Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

pbrauer said:
Explain this bright guy: Why didn't the the Bush administration list them?
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Maybe this will help explain that mystery:

The group conducted its operations more or less peacefully during the first seven years of its existence.[6] That changed in 2009 when the Nigerian government launched an investigation into the group's activities following reports that its members were arming themselves.[103] Prior to that the government reportedly repeatedly ignored warnings about the increasingly militant character of the organization, including that of a military officer.[103]
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Boko Haram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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pbrauer said:
Explain this bright guy: Why didn't the the Bush administration list them?
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Okay deflecting guy......Who started the War on Terror and was just getting things off the ground and with who was the most pressing at the time?

Who was the one that got Those involved to share Intel? Who was the One that forced the French to Share Interpol?
 
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US Conservative said:
You tell me, is Fox an acceptable news source, or is that only when you think it makes your point?

You tell me, are Bush appointees credible or is that only when you think it makes your point?

You tell me, if this was the case, why did the Obama administration change their status to a terrorist group after Kerry came into office?
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I can't answer that, however Boko Haram was having peace talks with Nigerian government and after the were listed they stopped the talks. There are a lot of things we don't understand whats happening, so I think its really unfair to blast somebody about this.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Maybe this will help explain that mystery:



Boko Haram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Yeah Ttwtt. :2wave: I think you hit the nail on the head with that one.
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Plus what I mention with the beginning of it all.
 
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pbrauer said:
"But a group of academic experts on Africa sent a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton last month urging her not to take the step, saying it could backfire by enhancing the group's reputation among potential recruits and other militants"
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Oh well! Academia pinheads said eh? There's the problem right there.

Wimps
 
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j-mac said:
Oh well! Academia pinheads said eh? There's the problem right there.

Wimps
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Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

MMC said:
Yeah Ttwtt. :2wave: I think you hit the nail on the head with that one.
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Plus what I mention with the beginning of it all.
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I was just trying to stop the swerve to the standard blame Bush argument (excuse?) for anything not done during the Obama administration. Next we will hear that Obama simply "lacked resources" to study this matter. ;)
 
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MMC said:
But the following month The General Carter of AFRICOM spoke on the matter.

In May 2012, then-Justice Department official Lisa Monaco (now at the White House) wrote to the State Department to urge Clinton to designate Boko Haram as a terrorist organization. The following month, Gen. Carter Ham, the chief of U.S. Africa Command, said that Boko Haram “are likely sharing funds, training, and explosive materials” with al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb. And yet, Hillary Clinton’s State Department still declined to place Boko Haram on its official terrorist roster.

Risch and seven other GOP senators introduced legislation in early 2013 that would have forced Clinton to designate the group or explain why she thought it was a bad idea. The State Department lobbied against the legislation at the time, according to internal State Department emails obtained by The Daily Beast.....snip~

Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists - The Daily Beast
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It's a pattern. "Normalization of relations" gets people killed.
 
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pbrauer said:
"But a group of academic experts on Africa sent a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton last month urging her not to take the step, saying it could backfire by enhancing the group's reputation among potential recruits and other militants"
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Ah yes, the famous if you ignore something then it might just go away argument. ;)
 
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j-mac said:
It's a pattern. "Normalization of relations" gets people killed.
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I like this part when Carson was testifying. ;)


“Before we prescribe actions, it is important that we understand what Boko Haram is and what it is not,” he said, noting that the United States’ information on the group was “limited at best.....snip~


This was coming from Hill Dogs Employee from the State Dept and Lead man on the Job, as he tried to tell that Committee.....those words. Despite.....What the CIA, FBI, the Justice Dept......and General Ham of Africom all had told them What Boko Haram was all about.


In the end.....this is what he then said.


When pressed by Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ) as to whether he considered the group an Islamist terrorist organization, Carson said he did.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Ah yes, the famous if you ignore something then it might just go away argument. ;)
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Well until another month or so, lapses.....huh? :lol:

The following month, Gen. Carter Ham, the chief of U.S. Africa Command, said that Boko Haram “are likely sharing funds, training, and explosive materials” with al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb. And yet, Hillary Clinton’s State Department still declined to place Boko Haram on its official terrorist roster.....snip~

The Chief of that reservation didn't know what he was talking about according to Hill Dog and her team. :doh
 
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MMC said:
Well until another month or so, lapses.....huh? :lol:

The following month, Gen. Carter Ham, the chief of U.S. Africa Command, said that Boko Haram “are likely sharing funds, training, and explosive materials” with al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb. And yet, Hillary Clinton’s State Department still declined to place Boko Haram on its official terrorist roster.....snip~
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The fact is you have now proof that putting Boko Haram on the list would have stopped the kidnapping. And she did do something, she put the leaders on the list, so she has a defense come 2016.
 
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MMC said:
Well until another month or so, lapses.....huh? :lol:

The following month, Gen. Carter Ham, the chief of U.S. Africa Command, said that Boko Haram “are likely sharing funds, training, and explosive materials” with al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb. And yet, Hillary Clinton’s State Department still declined to place Boko Haram on its official terrorist roster.....snip~
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The mission was making "UBL is dead, GM is alive and Al Qaeda is on the run" sound very much true. Saying that terrorist groups based on whacked out Islamic extremists are growing, networking and sharing resources is not exactly compatible with the official Obama line. ;)
 
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pbrauer said:
I can't answer that, however Boko Haram was having peace talks with Nigerian government and after the were listed they stopped the talks. There are a lot of things we don't understand whats happening, so I think its really unfair to blast somebody about this.
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So your brilliant insight is to appease terrorists as they maim and kill hundreds, because they might stop talking? How does talking with terrorists, let alone appeasing them go, typically?

I think more correctly, you dont know whats happening.
 
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pbrauer said:
The fact is you have now proof that putting Boko Haram on the list would have stopped the kidnapping. And she did do something, she put the leaders on the list, so she has a defense come 2016.
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Well.....she will need it and whole lot more than that for a defense. Lets also remember putting those 3 leaders on a list, for Sanctions didn't mean we could go and hunt any of them down.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
I was just trying to stop the swerve to the standard blame Bush argument (excuse?) for anything not done during the Obama administration. Next we will hear that Obama simply "lacked resources" to study this matter. ;)
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Any excuse will do, really. :cool:
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
The mission was making "UBL is dead, GM is alive and Al Qaeda is on the run" sound very much true. Saying that terrorist groups based on whacked out Islamic extremists are growing, networking and sharing resources is not exactly compatible with the official Obama line. ;)
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At the time, the sentiment that was expressed by the administration was this was a local grievance and therefore not a threat to the United States or its interests,” he said. “They were saying al Qaeda was on the run and our argument was contrary to that. It has metastasized and it is actually in many ways a growing threat and this is a stark example of that.”

Carson defended the decision to avoid naming Boko Haram a terrorist organization in a Wednesday phone call with reporters......snip~

Even after all that time has passed and with the Event taking place.....Carson still stood by what he said. Even up to Last Wed. Imagine That!
 
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US Conservative said:
So your brilliant insight is to appease terrorists as they maim and kill hundreds, because they might stop talking? How does talking with terrorists, let alone appeasing them go, typically?

I think more correctly, you dont know whats happening.
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I know people on the right want smear Hillary Clinton, because she might run for president 2016.
 
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pbrauer said:
I know people on the right want smear Hillary Clinton, because she might run for president 2016.
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It speaks to her lack of insight into matters of islamic extremism, its not her first. But her failings with Russia are also notable.
Its hard to run when your record isn't so great, isn't it?
I see plenty of people smearing Romney, Christy, etc what do you think thats about?
 
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pbrauer said:
I know people on the right want smear Hillary Clinton, because she might run for president 2016.
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Did you ever think there might be some that don't want her running around the country....talking about things She doesn't understand, and never did. Not even to give paid-for speeches and she wasn't running for any Office.

Do you actually think if she would take her ass out to pasture.....and look after her own family, for a change.....rather than having others do it for her.....that anybody would then care about her?

Can she actually prove she can take care of her own family?
 
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US Conservative said:
It speaks to her lack of insight into matters of islamic extremism, its not her first. But her failings with Russia are also notable.
Its hard to run when your record isn't so great, isn't it?
I see plenty of people smearing Romney, Christy, etc what do you think thats about?
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Well I am sorry, unless you are an expert in those fields, you have the credibility to criticize her.
 
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MMC said:
Did you ever think there might be some that don't want her running around the country....talking about things She doesn't understand, and never did. Not even to give paid-for speeches and she wasn't running for any Office.

Do you actually think if she would take her ass out to pasture.....and look after her own family, for a change.....rather than having others do it for her.....that anybody would then care about her?

Can she actually prove she can take care of her own family?
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Here again, you don't have the credibility to criticize her.
 
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pbrauer said:
Here again, you don't have the credibility to criticize her.
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Try again.....She is a SERVANT of the People. When she spills the Milk or Misses putting the food on the plate. I definitely have the Right to criticize her.

Look you want to know what Hillary did that was something she was Right about. Read the Latest book on her.....you will find out with the Issue of Egypt and the MB. Then how she corrected Obama and woke his ass up to the facts there. Now that is something you can Hillary credit for. She knew what was up with the Egyptians.

How are you going to tell one that shed blood for this country.....who he can criticize? Do you know how foolish that sounds.
 
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