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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Yes, they are, extensively, I know first hand, I was hired by State. They spent about 3 months going through every thing in my record, interviewed neighbors, former bosses, went through my bank accounts, records, any travel internationally I had done (and there was a lot of it), and, because I am a dual citizen, they had the other country do the same. I was surveilled for a time, and if I had even picked my nose at a stoplight, they would have known... And this was for an administrative management job. Ultimately I didn't accept it, I had just purchased my house and my dog and couldn't drop everything to move to DC and then to a mystery embassy at the drop of a hat. If I knew that I was going to move to an embassy in a stable, nice country, that would have swayed my decision, but they could have sent me to any number of armpits of the world, including ones that don't even have decent beer.
    Wow! Quite a security process. You're okay! BTW, you showed good judgment on the beer thing, too! ...: Is it the feeling of power that comes with the job that causes missteps for some? I know that we can't always be superior beings all the time, and I can overlook soliciting prostitutes - it's no different in Italy than anywhere else - but the danger of blackmail does exist which causes concern, I guess. The sexual harassment lawsuits are a different problem, though, but that's for the courts to sort out.

    I worked in the Law Department for a while at the Company I was employed with, and I also had a security clearance from the Government, because I dealt with aerospace companies. The unusual thing was that I would never have known I was being checked if my neighbor hadn't told me that all the people on our street had been contacted about me and my family. She asked me "what on earth are you involved in?" That has been a puzzle to me for years, because it was just a job to me, and I knew you didn't talk about what you were doing. I passed whatever test they were giving, I guess, because I did that job for years. They probably just figured that I was too young to be a problem! Real life is stranger than fiction sometimes!

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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    While this is all true, let's take a moment to bask in the warm glow of a Pro-Hillary poster whipping out a "B-B-BUT KERRY".

    Heya JM. Did you see her Tweet from Twitter? Talk about someone looking to try and score political points. This Right here shows Hill Dog for what she is. Playing on the tragic event and acting like she cares.

    It's a joke......she never checked back on her people in Benghazi to even find out if they got alive. Now she wants people to think she cares about these girls.

    She should have stayed home and kept her mouth shut and hope no one found out just how much she blocked Boko Haram from being designated as a terrorist organization.



    Hillary Dropped the Ball on Boko Haram.....

    In the past week, Clinton, who made protecting women and girls a key pillar of her tenure at the State Department, has been a vocal advocate for the 200 Nigerian girls kidnapped by Boko Haram, the loosely organized group of militants terrorizing northern Nigeria. Her May 4 tweet about the girls, using the hashtag #BringOurGirlsBack, was citied across the media and widely credited for raising awareness of their plight.

    On Wednesday, Clinton said that the abduction of the girls by Boko Haram was “abominable, it’s criminal, it’s an act of terrorism and it really merits the fullest response possible, first and foremost from the government of Nigeria.” Clinton said that as Secretary of State she had numerous meetings with Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan and had urged the Nigerian government to do more on counterterrorism.

    What Clinton didn’t mention was that her own State Department refused to place Boko Haram on the list of foreign terrorist organizations in 2011, after the group bombed the UN headquarters in Abuja. The refusal came despite the urging of the Justice Department, the FBI, the CIA, and over a dozen Senators and Congressmen.

    “The one thing she could have done, the one tool she had at her disposal, she didn’t use. And nobody can say she wasn’t urged to do it. It’s gross hypocrisy,” said a former senior U.S. official who was involved in the debate. “The FBI, the CIA, and the Justice Department really wanted Boko Haram designated, they wanted the authorities that would provide to go after them, and they voiced that repeatedly to elected officials.”

    In May 2012, then-Justice Department official Lisa Monaco (now at the White House) wrote to the State Department to urge Clinton to designate Boko Haram as a terrorist organization. The following month, Gen. Carter Ham, the chief of U.S. Africa Command, said that Boko Haram provided a "safe haven" for al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and was likely sharing explosives and funds with the group. And yet, Hillary Clinton's State Department still declined to place Boko Haram on its official terrorist roster.

    Being placed on the State Department’s list of foreign terrorist organizations allows U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies to use certain tools and authorities, including several found in the Patriot Act. The designation makes it illegal for any U.S. entities to do business with the group in question. It cuts off access to the U.S. financial system for the organization and anyone associating with it. And the designation also serves to stigmatize and isolate foreign organizations by encouraging other nations to take similar measures.

    The State Department’s refusal to designate Boko Haram as a terrorist organization prevented U.S. law enforcement agencies from fully addressing the growing Boko Haram threat in those crucial two years, multiple GOP lawmakers told The Daily Beast.....snip~

    https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-dropp...l?.tsrc=warhol


    Hill Dog is directly responsible for why the US couldn't do anything sooner.....let her look into the mirror on that one. But always bring up and always talk about it with Benghazi. It will start affecting her.....if she is out arguing to defend herself.

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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Wow! Quite a security process. You're okay! BTW, you showed good judgment on the beer thing, too! ...: Is it the feeling of power that comes with the job that causes missteps for some? I know that we can't always be superior beings all the time, and I can overlook soliciting prostitutes - it's no different in Italy than anywhere else - but the danger of blackmail does exist which causes concern, I guess. The sexual harassment lawsuits are a different problem, though, but that's for the courts to sort out.

    I worked in the Law Department for a while at the Company I was employed with, and I also had a security clearance from the Government, because I dealt with aerospace companies. The unusual thing was that I would never have known I was being checked if my neighbor hadn't told me that all the people on our street had been contacted about me and my family. She asked me "what on earth are you involved in?" That has been a puzzle to me for years, because it was just a job to me, and I knew you didn't talk about what you were doing. I passed whatever test they were giving, I guess, because I did that job for years. They probably just figured that I was too young to be a problem! Real life is stranger than fiction sometimes!
    Funny thing, they grilled me about traveling to Vietnam (been there twice now) and all the heavy questions, etc. Then afterwards, they were all "wow, I really want to go there" and were asking for recommendations. I actually was hired 3 times, but it is a long process, and there has to be a vacancy during the time that your security clearance is still valid, first two times (when I was much younger and willing to move at the drop of a hat) I never got placed, last time, after about 9 months, I got the letter saying to report to DC in a few weeks. Timing is everything.
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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe so, maybe not....I can't say for sure, but I don't recall you piping up in the past when stories against repubs that were based on "un named sources", or "people close to the person, place, or thing say..." Why is that? Why is it that NOW you choose to be skeptical of these mystery people, and what they say?
    Well I can't really defend myself since you're so vague about what you're refering to, but I always try to hold myself to the same standards regardless of what I'm looking at. Didn't you make that topic a while ago about emails which showed the White House did in fact have some input on Susan Rice's first talking points after Benghazi? I recall that I had no issue with it at all since the claim was backed up with a source.

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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Well I can't really defend myself since you're so vague about what you're refering to, but I always try to hold myself to the same standards regardless of what I'm looking at. Didn't you make that topic a while ago about emails which showed the White House did in fact have some input on Susan Rice's first talking points after Benghazi? I recall that I had no issue with it at all since the claim was backed up with a source.
    Oh ok...so that makes everything ok to hide behind right? You pull up one example and oh well, dismiss what I said...Typical...Look, if you want to live by a double standard fine by me, just be an honest individual, and admit it....Sources only matter to you when they are going against Obama....
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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    It does when deciding whether we should take the partisan poster's opinion of Hillary's competence seriously.

    In this case, when people dishonestly quote her out of context, it makes it clear no credibility should be given. I really don't understand why it's so hard for people to simply do things in an honest fashion..
    No, it doesn't. Someone that is clearly partisanly oppositional does not negate the fact that Hillary's actions in regard to Benghazi, before, during, and after, were a case study in incompetence. She has proven that she is absolutely the last person that should be entrusted with America's security.
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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, it doesn't. Someone that is clearly partisanly oppositional does not negate the fact that Hillary's actions in regard to Benghazi, before, during, and after, were a case study in incompetence. She has proven that she is absolutely the last person that should be entrusted with America's security.
    Congratulations on begging the question.

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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I always find it amusing when people dishonestly apply that quote out of context. It always shows them for the biased partisans they are and reminds me to never take their opinion seriously, as they cannot be bothered with the truth.

    Thank you for reminding me of my personal stance on this issue.
    I have heard this complaint before, but no one has cared to share exactly what it means. Context is something this reporter understands. I have seen the video. She is very clear, frustrated, and dismissive. I saw little, if any opportunity for nuance. She was attempting to fend off probing questions about what she knew when in regards to the deaths of four Americas in the service to their country.

    So, if you could enlighten us, exactly what did she mean?

    Please be aware in advance that the reply should make said context absolutely clear...as, now that we are so many months down the road of "deny, deny, deny", "old news" and abject degrading of questioners, the quote has stood undefended by her, and is something of a metaphor for the Obama administration's attitude toward those who serve, that the reply itself may likely be worthy for "what difference, at this point, does it make?" with likely much better grammar.
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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh ok...so that makes everything ok to hide behind right? You pull up one example and oh well, dismiss what I said...Typical...Look, if you want to live by a double standard fine by me, just be an honest individual, and admit it....Sources only matter to you when they are going against Obama....
    You can attack me with a vague notion that I behave in a certain way and expect me to have a detailed defense in response, if you provide a specific example of a time when I didn't care to point out the lack of a source in a story attacking Republicans please point it out. But don't just claim to know I do that and then fail to provide not only an example but nothing beyond vague assertions.

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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I always find it amusing when people dishonestly apply that quote out of context. It always shows them for the biased partisans they are and reminds me to never take their opinion seriously, as they cannot be bothered with the truth.
    What context is missing and what is the truth.
    Thank you for reminding me of my personal stance on this issue.
    Leftists often need reminding of their personal stances because they change so frequently.

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