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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you not yet aware that Hillary Clinton has already taken full responsibility for Benghazi?
    That sounds like, "Oops! I dropped a crumb on your carpet" kind of responsibility. It would help since she apparently took full responsibility, to have provided all those nagging questions that the GOP seems to still have. I'm sure a lunch, some wine and she could clear it all up in 30 minutes - tops.
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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That sounds like, "Oops! I dropped a crumb on your carpet" kind of responsibility. It would help since she apparently took full responsibility, to have provided all those nagging questions that the GOP seems to still have. I'm sure a lunch, some wine and she could clear it all up in 30 minutes - tops.
    I think we all know what king of 'apology' it was. She simply wanted to express what a big person she is while at the same time blaming it all on others. This is an old political trick and one especially suited to the Clinton's.

    Nonetheless she did accept responsibility and she needs to be taken, finally, at her word.

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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I think we all know what king of 'apology' it was. She simply wanted to express what a big person she is while at the same time blaming it all on others. This is an old political trick and one especially suited to the Clinton's.

    Nonetheless she did accept responsibility and she needs to be taken, finally, at her word.
    Thats exactly it. Definitive politician behavior.

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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Which means she's in charge of people who are in charge.
    and responsible.

    I understand it just fine. You seem to struggle with it. You seem to think one person is capable of micromanaging every aspect of a large governmental division.
    like a country?

    I've not affirmed or denied that. All I'm saying is people are being dishonest when they take her quote out of context.
    It's not out of context. She was running scared...from he own failures.

    That's just asinine and indicative of small minded thinking. I don't necessarily mean you, I'm speaking in society as a whole. One person does not run everything.
    No, it isn't. That's what being in charge means.

    If you'd stop lying, I wouldn't have to accuse you of lying. Hillary Clinton has, multiple times, faced questions about the attack. You were 100% wrong.
    That doesn't negate the fact that she avoided the first real instance of being questioned on it. My statement stands, correctly.


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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you not yet aware that Hillary Clinton has already taken full responsibility for Benghazi?
    I said it earlier in this thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    and responsible.
    Do you really not get it? Are you really this full of hate that you seem to think Hillary Clinton can personally manage the thousands, if not millions, of different decisions made by the State Department everyday?

    Clinton is responsible because it happened under her watch and Americans have never been a big fan of true accountability in politics. We like to hold the public faces accountable, never the individuals we don't know. Sometimes that's appropriate, but most of the time it's just political nonsense.

    like a country?
    Exactly. Do you really think Barack Obama knows about every decision which is made under his administration? Of course not, no one can micromanage such a large system. The leader gets the biggest and most important things and delegates everything else to underlings, who then do the exact same thing.

    This isn't rocket science, so I'm not sure why you're having so much trouble with it.

    It's not out of context. She was running scared...from he own failures.


    Nothing quite like biased partisan rhetoric. It is being used out of context, as I've proven multiple times now.

    That doesn't negate the fact that she avoided the first real instance of being questioned on it.
    So? That's not what you said, and even if it had been, so? It was immediately after the attack, I'm sure she had far more important things to do than work the morning show circuit to answer questions.

    The amusing part is if Clinton HAD gone on TV shows, you would be sitting here today criticizing her for that, instead of doing her job. And how do I know that? Because you've made it patently clear you're not interested in facts, only political spin.

    My statement stands, correctly.
    No, it doesn't. You cannot alter a statement later when it's convenient for you to do so and then claim your original one was correct.

    It doesn't take hatred to spot incompetence.
    But it does take hatred to say the silly things you've said in this thread.

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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I said it earlier in this thread.
    Do you really not get it? Are you really this full of hate that you seem to think Hillary Clinton can personally manage the thousands, if not millions, of different decisions made by the State Department everyday
    She seemed to think she could otherwise she should not have accepted the position. I didn't think she was up to task either.

    Nonetheless she did accept responsibility for Benghazi so that debate is pretty much over. You can't "hate" people for being incompetent, but you needn't respect them either.

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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I said it earlier in this thread.
    Do you really not get it? Are you really this full of hate that you seem to think Hillary Clinton can personally manage the thousands, if not millions, of different decisions made by the State Department everyday?

    Clinton is responsible because it happened under her watch and Americans have never been a big fan of true accountability in politics. We like to hold the public faces accountable, never the individuals we don't know. Sometimes that's appropriate, but most of the time it's just political nonsense.
    In any organization, there is a hierarchy. Each person in that chain is responsible to the person above them, all the way to the head of the organization. Each and every person in that chain has responsibilities and authority granted by the head of the organization. Each and every one of them is therefore acting in the name of the head of the organization. If a person messes up, the head of the organization must take the necessary actions to fix the problem. She didn't. Certain key things should be very much in the mind of the head of the organization. For example, the security of one's employees in a recently destabilised country. Are you so blinded by bias that you don't see that?

    Simple.

    Exactly. Do you really think Barack Obama knows about every decision which is made under his administration? Of course not, no one can micromanage such a large system. The leader gets the biggest and most important things and delegates everything else to underlings, who then do the exact same thing.
    Do you understand the risks of delegation of authority? You delegate authority, not responsibility.

    This isn't rocket science, so I'm not sure why you're having so much trouble with it.
    No, it isn't, you're right. What it is is you not understanding authority, responsibility, and leadership in general.

    Nothing quite like biased partisan rhetoric. It is being used out of context, as I've proven multiple times now.
    It's only your biased partisanship that keeps you from seeing the obvious.

    So? That's not what you said, and even if it had been, so? It was immediately after the attack, I'm sure she had far more important things to do than work the morning show circuit to answer questions.
    Yes, it was immediately after the attack. And why don't you look into why she didn't go herself.

    The amusing part is if Clinton HAD gone on TV shows, you would be sitting here today criticizing her for that, instead of doing her job. And how do I know that? Because you've made it patently clear you're not interested in facts, only political spin.
    I certainly would be. For her lack of leadership, not for her cowardice.

    No, it doesn't. You cannot alter a statement later when it's convenient for you to do so and then claim your original one was correct.
    You just contradicted yourself.

    But it does take hatred to say the silly things you've said in this thread.
    No, it takes an understanding of leadership and responsibility. Something you clearly don't grasp.
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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    She seemed to think she could otherwise she should not have accepted the position.
    No one can. That's not what a reasonable person expects.

    Nonetheless she did accept responsibility for Benghazi
    Yes, I'm aware. She accepted the ultimate responsibility, but that does not mean it was her actions which caused the problem. This is not hard to understand.
    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    In any organization, there is a hierarchy. Each person in that chain is responsible to the person above them, all the way to the head of the organization. Each and every person in that chain has responsibilities and authority granted by the head of the organization. Each and every one of them is therefore acting in the name of the head of the organization. If a person messes up, the head of the organization must take the necessary actions to fix the problem. She didn't.
    Uh, yes, she did. The "mess up" partly contributed to the deaths of 4 Americans and Clinton then stepped in and took actions to fix the problem, as she said during her testimony.

    I'm going to try to read the rest of your post, but I know it's going to be full of blind partisan rhetoric. So if I don't make it through the rest, you'll have to forgive me.

    Do you understand the risks of delegation of authority?
    Do you understand it's unavoidable? Do you understand blaming the head for the actions of the underlings is asinine?

    No, you don't. Unless maybe it was someone of a different party, I don't know. But obviously you don't understand it in this case.

    No, it isn't, you're right. What it is is you not understanding authority, responsibility, and leadership in general.
    I understand it just fine. You're the one who is acting like one person can do everything. You seem to have zero understanding of how delegation of duties work.
    It's only your biased partisanship that keeps you from seeing the obvious.


    The person who has supported lies and untruths says that to the person who doesn't care one bit (like or dislike) for Hillary. Seriously, I honestly have zero feelings towards Hillary or Democrats. What I care about is the truth. The only partisanship in this thread are those who make provably false and stupid statements to support a narrative which makes them feel better in the team party outfits.

    I'm not even going to read the rest of your post. I'm sure it's full of the same asinine statements you've made all along. If you think you made a good point, feel free to repost it. But if you're just saying the same stupid things I've already proven false, don't bother. I grow tired of responding to nonsense.

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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No one can. That's not what a reasonable person expects.
    Any responsible person should expect competence from their leaders. If you don;t expect it your voting patterns would seem clear.

    Yes, I'm aware. She accepted the ultimate responsibility, but that does not mean it was her actions which caused the problem.
    Then what does full responsibility mean?
    This is not hard to understand.
    Uh, yes, she did. The "mess up" partly contributed to the deaths of 4 Americans and Clinton then stepped in and took actions to fix the problem, as she said during her testimony.
    Partly? She accepted full responsibility!


    Do you understand it's unavoidable? Do you understand blaming the head for the actions of the underlings is asinine?
    Unavoidable? Then why did the British and the Red Cross withdraw from the area?
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    I understand it just fine. You're the one who is acting like one person can do everything. You seem to have zero understanding of how delegation of duties work.
    Who did Hillary Clinton delegate to be sure that staff in Benghazi are protected?

    The person who has supported lies and untruths says that to the person who doesn't care one bit (like or dislike) for Hillary. Seriously, I honestly have zero feelings towards Hillary or Democrats. What I care about is the truth. The only partisanship in this thread are those who make provably false and stupid statements to support a narrative which makes them feel better in the team party outfits.
    Good you appreciate the truth because the truth is that Hillary Clinton accepted responsibility for what happened in Benghazi.

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    Re: Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Yes, I'm aware. She accepted the ultimate responsibility, but that does not mean it was her actions which caused the problem. This is not hard to understand.
    Uh, yes, she did. The "mess up" partly contributed to the deaths of 4 Americans and Clinton then stepped in and took actions to fix the problem, as she said during her testimony.

    I'm going to try to read the rest of your post, but I know it's going to be full of blind partisan rhetoric. So if I don't make it through the rest, you'll have to forgive me.

    Do you understand it's unavoidable? Do you understand blaming the head for the actions of the underlings is asinine?

    No, you don't. Unless maybe it was someone of a different party, I don't know. But obviously you don't understand it in this case.

    I understand it just fine. You're the one who is acting like one person can do everything. You seem to have zero understanding of how delegation of duties work.


    The person who has supported lies and untruths says that to the person who doesn't care one bit (like or dislike) for Hillary. Seriously, I honestly have zero feelings towards Hillary or Democrats. What I care about is the truth. The only partisanship in this thread are those who make provably false and stupid statements to support a narrative which makes them feel better in the team party outfits.

    I'm not even going to read the rest of your post. I'm sure it's full of the same asinine statements you've made all along. If you think you made a good point, feel free to repost it. But if you're just saying the same stupid things I've already proven false, don't bother. I grow tired of responding to nonsense.
    You really have no idea what you're talking about.
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