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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Indeed, notice earlier on this thread I specifically said a CURRENT famous teen saying something similar WOULD reasonably garner significant attention and public concern.
    Didn't Justin Bieber get slammed for making homophobic comments?

    And as far as white people getting attacked for making racist comments in the past, Don Rickles was famous for racist jokes but was given a pass for giving that up once it became socially inappropriate.
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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Didn't Justin Bieber get slammed for making homophobic comments?
    Bieber is, amazingly, 20

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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Hey look, there you go again...being bothered by a word. How very strange given your earlier statements.



    When that's what you give to posters that's all you're worth or deserve to get back....yet I actually did give you a response. Your example wasn't equivalent to what's being talked about here. Take your example and make it relevant to what's being discussed here, which I did, and I'd say the same thing I was saying here.

    Racist statements decades in the past made whole a teenager that have no recent supporting information to suggest the person is still racist and is included as a means of showing how ones parents raised them to be better than that is not something to get massively upset by. That is deciding my different then being bothered right now by something said right now by a teen. Indeed, notice earlier on this thread I specifically said a CURRENT famous teen saying something similar WOULD reasonably garner significant attention and public concern.
    I'm not bothered because you called me a name. I'm pointing out how you degrade special needs people to make a childish insult at a poster.

    You still haven't said why you think it's okay for a 15 year old black kid to say he's against the white race, but you don't think it's okay for a 15 year old white kid to say he's against the black race. Because of that, I'll chalk it up to giving blacks a pass on racism. That's all I needed to know.

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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    1.)Said he hated white people as a kid
    2.)Paula Deen has multiple racial incidents all when she was an adult.
    Even when I was a kid I wasnt stupid enough to hate groups of people. Paula flippantly using the word nigger and a sports hero-icon admitting to hating an entire race have very different karma.
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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm not bothered because you called me a name. I'm pointing out how you degrade special needs people to make a childish insult at a poster.

    You still haven't said why you think it's okay for a 15 year old black kid to say he's against the white race, but you don't think it's okay for a 15 year old white kid to say he's against the black race. Because of that, I'll chalk it up to giving blacks a pass on racism. That's all I needed to know.
    I didn't get that at all from Zyphlin's posts. What I got was that given the time period, 40 years ago, and the conditions under which he had spent those 15 years, Jordan's teenaged anger was environmentally understandable, and he has since matured and evolved beyond those feelings once he had the opportunity to experience other environments, other individuals. There was no "pass" given.

    I'll go further and speak for myself when I say that if the situation was reversed, if a white kid was raised in an environment where whites were targeted by black gangs who wielded all the power in his environment and sowed all the terror against him and his race, it would be environmentally understandable for him to develop strong anger against black people. Now if he continued that anger and hatred as he matured and experienced other environments and other individuals, then his viewpoints would be based more on ignorance and lack of ability to self-assess.

    Racists of any color are not born; they are made, based on their environment and their experience. To me, at least, that makes perfect sense.

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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Good grief, I'm glad I am not held to what I did when I was 15.
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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Right, I read what he said. Paula Deen admitted that she used the N word over 3 decades ago, and she grew up, and it was all over the news and she lost her career. Why does Jordan get a pass?

    I'm not saying Jordan should be hated and lose his current career over this, but I also don't think others should have their name smeared and lose their careers either over similar past actions or feelings.
    maybe it is because it was his grandparents and parents who were isolated from the rest of the society in some states in 50s
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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Who cares? Those of you who haven't used the N word cast the first stone. If you say you never have...you are a liar.

    I'm sick of all this whiny race-baiting crap. You all need to grow up and realize Utopia is unreachable. Man is fallible and sinful.
    When I was kid it wasn't "Eeny, meeny, miney,mo, catch a tigger by the toe..."
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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I didn't get that at all from Zyphlin's posts. What I got was that given the time period, 40 years ago, and the conditions under which he had spent those 15 years, Jordan's teenaged anger was environmentally understandable, and he has since matured and evolved beyond those feelings once he had the opportunity to experience other environments, other individuals. There was no "pass" given.

    I'll go further and speak for myself when I say that if the situation was reversed, if a white kid was raised in an environment where whites were targeted by black gangs who wielded all the power in his environment and sowed all the terror against him and his race, it would be environmentally understandable for him to develop strong anger against black people. Now if he continued that anger and hatred as he matured and experienced other environments and other individuals, then his viewpoints would be based more on ignorance and lack of ability to self-assess.

    Racists of any color are not born; they are made, based on their environment and their experience. To me, at least, that makes perfect sense.
    Thank you for your honest post DiAnna.

    There were more than a few references to Jordan only being 15 at the time, so it was (apparently) understandable to some people. That's why I want to know if that is the case with all races, if any 15 year old kid of any race held a belief that (insert other race here) is bad.

    I personally find it concerning that any 15 year old would harbor resentment unless there is something concrete behind that resentment, such as (in Jordan's case) the KKK burning crosses on his front lawn, or a group of skinheads beating up his mother, or the white HS coaches not letting him play sports because he was black. According to what I know about his youth, none of that is the case. Which means someone told him to be wary of white people, or if it was from watching Roots, as he mentioned, that isn't a great excuse either given that very few white people in the USA are descended from slave owners, and it was over 100 years ago too.

    I come from Irish Catholic people who were victims of the English regime. I was never told I should harbor resentment to the English people for the way my ancestors were treated.

    Racists are not born, you are right. They are made.

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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    When I was kid it wasn't "Eeny, meeny, miney,mo, catch a tigger by the toe..."
    Same.
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