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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Why is this not big news in light of the recent Donald Sterling scandal? Paula Deen lost her career simply for saying that she used the 'N' word a long time ago. Why no backlash on Michael Jordan?

    Michael Jordan's upbringing detailed in new book - ESPN

    Gee. Maybe because the quote was from a 1992 interview that was published back then?
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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Thread is funny. Does Jordan get a pass on his views when he was young...sure does. Why? Because there is a obvious double standard.

    More importantly....do I give a crap about what Jordan felt when he was kid? Nope. Do I give a crap about how Jordan feels today? Nope.

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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I find is disheartening, but I hardly find it as something to be as bothered by, or worthy of discussion, nealry 40 years later as what happened with Sterling or Deen...which is what the person I was responding to was suggesting.

    If some famous 15 year old in the public eye came out TODAY and said he was "against all whites" then yeah...I'd say that would deserve attention and similar public concern (but probably a different reaction, as it is still the difference between a kid and a well into their life adult) as the Sterling or Deen situations. But this is a "troublesome" issue from nearly 4 decades ago that by all accounts is not something even remotely on going in the individuals life.



    It is a bad way to think; though admittedly a slightly more understandable one in my mind growing up in the south, just a few decades removed from the civil rights movement, given some of the reported stories regarding the treatment of his grandfather he was seeing. However, that's kind of the POINT of it being included in the book and why Michael said the line from what I've read. It's in the book and brought up because it's part of explaining how his parents tried to teach him you can't judge a group of people based on the actions that completely seperate individuals did in the past. To my understanding, the quote from Jordan was stated specifically to indicate that it WAS a bad way to think...and that thankfully his parents helped him grow and move past that.

    That's FAR different than the revelation of Deen saying "nigger" multiple times in the past coming out during testimony regarding accusations of racial discrimination, and them coming out right along side her defending her brother for using the word at their place of business.

    That's FAR different than the revelation of Sterling declaring he doesn't want his mistress bringing black people to his games stated in the past few weeks, building off of mounds of questionable actions over just this past decade alone.

    Thus why it's not crazy that somehow Michael Jordan and this story isn't getting the exact same kind of coverage or attention as the other cases.



    And that's wonderful for you. Then again, we're not all robots and different people are bothered or affected by different things. There are some women who are raped and who, mentally, can move past it somewhat quickly. There are other women who are raped and may never fully move past it mentally. Obviously, we should scorn those later ones becuase it affects some women differently so clearly it's just in the heads of the other women. The reality is that everyones situations, and everyones reactions to certain situations, and how those situations affect them, are going to differ person to person. It's perfectly reasonable to say "I don't let that **** affect me" and perhaps at times even commendable; but it doesn't magically mean that's the case, or should be the case, for everyone in every situation that's even remotely similar in some way shape or form.
    Um, Zyphlin. You lost me when you compared rape to being called a name. It's a wee bit problematic that you equate rape with name calling, IMO. I know women who were raped. I can assure you, they wouldn't care for the comparison either.

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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    But see, there's two EXTREMELY different arguments here...

    One is whether or not the Sterling or Paula Deen situations should've ended the way they did, or garnered the kind of media attention they did.

    The other, which is SPECIFICALLY the one the OP actually made, was that somehow the Michael Jordan incident should have recieved similar treatment...implying that somehow the Jordan situation was of similar context.

    That first point is debatable, and I think is a reasonable debate, but is kind of irrelevant to what was ACTUALLY suggested as the topic of this thread. REGARDLESS as to whether or not you think the Paula Deen thing, for example, should've gotten the media attention it did or had the blowback on her that it did, it's incredibly difficult to think that anyone is honestly and realistically suggesting that Jordan's situation contextually should have resulted in a very similar reaction from people. That somehow someone feeling a certain way nearly FOURTY YEARS AGO while they were a teen/kid and that coming out as part of an anecdote about how his parents helped him grow is somehow similar and worthy of a similar response as a woman being sued in the present for racial discrimination and while trying to defend herself makes it known she's used the word an undeterminate amount of times as an adult and defends her brother using it in the present at their place of business.
    Precisely. This has been the argument the entire thread. And the usual suspects reply with "NOPE ITS CUZ HES BLACK".
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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Why? Because there is a obvious double standard.
    It's an obvious double standard huh?

    So since it's so obvious, you must clearly have an instance where someone else suggested a racist view point nearly 4 decades ago while being a child but has demonstrated no such views to any degree over the past few decades as an adult and was instead ridiculed and lambasted for it?

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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Um, Zyphlin. You lost me when you compared rape to being called a name. It's a wee bit problematic that you equate rape with name calling, IMO. I know women who were raped. I can assure you, they wouldn't care for the comparison either.
    He didn't compare rape to being called a name. He was simply illustrating that different people process different things different ways.
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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Um, Zyphlin. You lost me when you compared rape to being called a name. It's a wee bit problematic that you equate rape with name calling, IMO. I know women who were raped. I can assure you, they wouldn't care for the comparison either.
    I compared the fact that different people react to negative actions towards them in different manners, I in no way compared the negative actions as being comparable in nature. But nice job attempting to twist it as an excuse to ingore everything else I said Clearly, actually addressing the various points I made would be far more difficult than going "I know rape victims, this offends me, I'm not answering anything else!"

    (Also, how strange...did my words just cause a negative reaction from you? How utterly odd, after you were just talking about how words don't bother you. Could it be that SOME words do bother you, and some don't, depending on the context and how it relates to your life personally?)

    Also, nice attempt with the "I have black friends" style of a counter point...ie not a real counter point. Guess what. Rape victims aren't some kind of hive mind that all think alike. Also, this may come to a shocker...you're not the only person that knows individuals that were raped. Indeed, two very close women to me are victims of the henious crime. Both of which coped with it in very different ways, both of them were affected by it in different ways.

    My point was to grab something that you'd clearly understand IS a negative thing, since you clearly indicated that being "called a name" (as you simplified it down to) was something that you had an opinion isn't a very negative thing and thus treated your opinion as if it was fact. It was then using that clearly negative thing to highlight that different people react to negative things in different ways, and to different degrees. Similarly, just because YOU react to "name calling" in one particular way doesn't mean that the way it impacts you is somehow the only "right" way or the only reasonable way for it to affect someone.

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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I compared the fact that different people react to negative actions towards them in different manners, I in no way compared the negative actions as being comparable in nature. But nice job attempting to twist it as an excuse to ingore everything else I said
    You answered my post about being called a name with a diatribe on how women handle rape. No correlation - no segue. Very disturbing.

    I'm not a person to get ginned up about people calling people names. Sorry, but in the grand scheme of life, that's nothing to me. Name calling starts happening when we're in Kindergarten.

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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It's an obvious double standard huh?

    So since it's so obvious, you must clearly have an instance where someone else suggested a racist view point nearly 4 decades ago while being a child but has demonstrated no such views to any degree over the past few decades as an adult and was instead ridiculed and lambasted for it?
    So you're gonna honestly sit here and claim that if this were, say a tell all book about lets say...Dan Marino, where he freely admitted to hating all blacks when he was in his teens or in college that wouldn't be an outcry to fire him from his TV show and boycotts on products he endorses? There is a double standard, if you choose to ignore it, thats your prerogative.

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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    So you're gonna honestly sit here and claim that if this were, say a tell all book about lets say...Dan Marino, where he freely admitted to hating all blacks when he was in his teens or in college that wouldn't be an outcry to fire him from his TV show and boycotts on products he endorses? There is a double standard, if you choose to ignore it, thats your prerogative.
    If Dan Marino said that in a well publicized interview in 1992 and it was being repeated in a book 20+ years later, I don't think there would be an outcry...
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