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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Ah. When I had previously read a story on this the article suggested it was elementary school age.

    Still. He was a kid still, a young teen still finding himself...still not an adult, still almost 40 years ago.

    Donald Sterling had a history of racially questionable things over the past couple decades, as an adult, with the most recent thing happening within the past few weeks.

    Deen had a lawsuit alleging racial discrimination against her in 2013, her testimony regarding her use of the N-Word gave no indication as to when she last used it or whether it was used while she was an adult or a kid, her business partner and brother admitted to using it the word at the resturant they co-owned, and seemingly had a desire for a southern "Plantation" style wedding complete with an all black serving staff. The majority of these things that were issues that happened within the few years leading up to when it hit major news, save for the "n-word" use on HER part which didn't have a date placed to it, and ALL of them where while she was an adult.

    So yeah...it's not ridiculous to suggest that a single notion from Michael Jordan almost 40 years ago when he was not an adult being highlighted in a book is not going to get the same attention as someone caught making a racial statement this month who has a RECENT history of racially questionable actions, or a woman who was in the midst of a lawsuit regarding racial prejudice whose business partner was at the time being accused of using the word (and her excusing it to a degree) at their business establishment.

    The latter two where individuals who had CURRENT situations that brought their CURRENT and past actions to light. In Michael Jordan's case, there was no current troublesome action that was bringing it to light but rather it was simply a snippet from a book talking about his early life.

    Thinking they would, or should, get anywhere near the same time of attention is ridiculous and laughable. That's not a double standard, it's common ****ing sense.
    I find it just as troublesome to read that a 15 year old black kid was "against all whites". That is very unhealthy, whether he changed that view or not (I assume he did because I believe his wife is white). Unless white people were doing things that harmed him, it's a very bad way to think. I would say that if a 15 year old white boy said something similar about blacks.

    Some guy who I accidentally cut off in my car recently called me the "c" word at the top of his lungs. You know what? It didn't bother me. If the worst thing that happens in my life is being called a name, I'll die a happy woman.

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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are racist as hell. Why do you give them a pass, too? They were adults then they displayed their racism.

    Larry Johnson is an adult. You give him a pass. Why is that?

    Let's face it, the only consistency we see from you all in these situations, is skin color.
    Look - I know it's all you have, throwing a lot of racists' names at the wall, hoping some of them will stick. You ain't gonna get anything from me.

    Racism is racism. I think Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are two of the biggest racists to come down the pike, and have honestly hurt the African-American community more than they've helped them. Personally, any time I hear that either of those two are involved, the whole situation loses credibility with me.

    What you are having an extremely hard time grasping is the difference in the two situations. Michael Jordan was a kid when this happened. All the other names you mentioned? Adults. I wet in my diaper when I was kid, but I don't do it anymore. Why? Because I grew up and learned it was wrong.
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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Why would you expect there to be backlash? It's not anywhere near the same thing. His views were shaped by where he lived and the KKK. Sterling's views were shaped by his white privilege.
    You don't know that.

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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Why is this not big news in light of the recent Donald Sterling scandal? Paula Deen lost her career simply for saying that she used the 'N' word a long time ago. Why no backlash on Michael Jordan?

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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Ummmm in addition to her childhood she admitting using it as an adult and and in more recent years.

    There is a difference here. Rather large actually.
    Is it really?

    I'm not an expert on Paula Deen but didn't she admit to using it as an adult while describing the man who held her at gunpoint? Mind you I'm not criticizing Michael Jordan here. I'm mostly criticizing a racially charged, predominately anti-white media out to make mountains out of molehills.

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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    Is it really?

    I'm not an expert on Paula Deen but didn't she admit to using it as an adult while describing the man who held her at gunpoint? Mind you I'm not criticizing Michael Jordan here. I'm mostly criticizing a racially charged, predominately anti-white media out to make mountains out of molehills.
    That's not the only time she's used the word.

    Sheesh, has no one read the transcript? Is everyone relying on simply what the media is telling them to believe?

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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I find it just as troublesome to read that a 15 year old black kid was "against all whites".
    I find is disheartening, but I hardly find it as something to be as bothered by, or worthy of discussion, nealry 40 years later as what happened with Sterling or Deen...which is what the person I was responding to was suggesting.

    If some famous 15 year old in the public eye came out TODAY and said he was "against all whites" then yeah...I'd say that would deserve attention and similar public concern (but probably a different reaction, as it is still the difference between a kid and a well into their life adult) as the Sterling or Deen situations. But this is a "troublesome" issue from nearly 4 decades ago that by all accounts is not something even remotely on going in the individuals life.

    Unless white people were doing things that harmed him, it's a very bad way to think.
    It is a bad way to think; though admittedly a slightly more understandable one in my mind growing up in the south, just a few decades removed from the civil rights movement, given some of the reported stories regarding the treatment of his grandfather he was seeing. However, that's kind of the POINT of it being included in the book and why Michael said the line from what I've read. It's in the book and brought up because it's part of explaining how his parents tried to teach him you can't judge a group of people based on the actions that completely seperate individuals did in the past. To my understanding, the quote from Jordan was stated specifically to indicate that it WAS a bad way to think...and that thankfully his parents helped him grow and move past that.

    That's FAR different than the revelation of Deen saying "nigger" multiple times in the past coming out during testimony regarding accusations of racial discrimination, and them coming out right along side her defending her brother for using the word at their place of business.

    That's FAR different than the revelation of Sterling declaring he doesn't want his mistress bringing black people to his games stated in the past few weeks, building off of mounds of questionable actions over just this past decade alone.

    Thus why it's not crazy that somehow Michael Jordan and this story isn't getting the exact same kind of coverage or attention as the other cases.

    You know what? It didn't bother me.
    And that's wonderful for you. Then again, we're not all robots and different people are bothered or affected by different things. There are some women who are raped and who, mentally, can move past it somewhat quickly. There are other women who are raped and may never fully move past it mentally. Obviously, we should scorn those later ones becuase it affects some women differently so clearly it's just in the heads of the other women. The reality is that everyones situations, and everyones reactions to certain situations, and how those situations affect them, are going to differ person to person. It's perfectly reasonable to say "I don't let that **** affect me" and perhaps at times even commendable; but it doesn't magically mean that's the case, or should be the case, for everyone in every situation that's even remotely similar in some way shape or form.

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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are racist as hell. Why do you give them a pass, too? They were adults then they displayed their racism.

    Larry Johnson is an adult. You give him a pass. Why is that?

    Let's face it, the only consistency we see from you all in these situations, is skin color.
    Who's giving them a pass? They haven't even come up in the thread. And kind words about Jackson and Sharpton are rare.
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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I think people would ask him what experiences he had to lea him to hate black people but is anybody asking Jordan for specifics as to why he hated White people?
    He gave his specifics in the interview cited in the book.
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    Re: Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    Is it really?

    I'm not an expert on Paula Deen but didn't she admit to using it as an adult while describing the man who held her at gunpoint? Mind you I'm not criticizing Michael Jordan here. I'm mostly criticizing a racially charged, predominately anti-white media out to make mountains out of molehills.
    But see, there's two EXTREMELY different arguments here...

    One is whether or not the Sterling or Paula Deen situations should've ended the way they did, or garnered the kind of media attention they did.

    The other, which is SPECIFICALLY the one the OP actually made, was that somehow the Michael Jordan incident should have recieved similar treatment...implying that somehow the Jordan situation was of similar context.

    That first point is debatable, and I think is a reasonable debate, but is kind of irrelevant to what was ACTUALLY suggested as the topic of this thread. REGARDLESS as to whether or not you think the Paula Deen thing, for example, should've gotten the media attention it did or had the blowback on her that it did, it's incredibly difficult to think that anyone is honestly and realistically suggesting that Jordan's situation contextually should have resulted in a very similar reaction from people. That somehow someone feeling a certain way nearly FOURTY YEARS AGO while they were a teen/kid and that coming out as part of an anecdote about how his parents helped him grow is somehow similar and worthy of a similar response as a woman being sued in the present for racial discrimination and while trying to defend herself makes it known she's used the word an undeterminate amount of times as an adult and defends her brother using it in the present at their place of business.

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