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Michael Jordan: I was against all white people

Kobie said:
Racism born from anger is generally more easily dispelled than racism born from ignorance. Anger goes away. Ignorance often doesn't.
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Agree completely and i would add that racism/prejudice born from anger is often justified.
 
Fishstyx said:
So you're gonna honestly sit here and claim that if this were, say a tell all book about lets say...Dan Marino, where he freely admitted to hating all blacks when he was in his teens or in college that wouldn't be an outcry to fire him from his TV show and boycotts on products he endorses? There is a double standard, if you choose to ignore it, thats your prerogative.
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Argument By Hypothetical.
 
The Man said:
Why is this not big news in light of the recent Donald Sterling scandal? Paula Deen lost her career simply for saying that she used the 'N' word a long time ago. Why no backlash on Michael Jordan?

Michael Jordan's upbringing detailed in new book - ESPN
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Perhaps you should be blaming the KKK instead of Michael Jordan, since his opinion as a teen was shaped by them.


"....In the book, titled "Michael Jordan: The Life," author Roland Lazenby described how Jordan grew up in the 1970s in North Carolina -- where Jordan said the Ku Klux Klan was dominant and that that atmosphere shaped his views on race....."
 
What a stupid thing to say.
 
The Klan was "dominant" in 1977 in North Carolina? Interesting. Dominant meaning they were roaming loose, wearing hoods & terrorizing him? The Klan really died out during the 1960s.
 
By the way, with all this brushing aside of Jordan's comments because he was "only 15", can I assume that you all feel that we should brush aside and forgive the hatred a 15 year old skinhead has for anyone who isn't white - simply because he's only 15? I would assume the answer is yes based on the "eh it was no big deal because Jordan was only 15, just a kid, didn't know better" comments that are throughout the 26 pages on this thread, more or less.
 
Did everyone miss that these were comments from a published interview in 1992?

Can I start a thread being outraged that Dave Winfield killed a seagull with a baseball in 1983 and get twenty pages of discussion?
 
tres borrachos said:
The Klan was "dominant" in 1977 in North Carolina? Interesting. Dominant meaning they were roaming loose, wearing hoods & terrorizing him? The Klan really died out during the 1960s.
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Dominant enough to kill five people in Greensboro, NC in 1979. Even today, there are 9 active chapters of the KKK in NC
 
tres borrachos said:
By the way, with all this brushing aside of Jordan's comments because he was "only 15", can I assume that you all feel that we should brush aside and forgive the hatred a 15 year old skinhead has for anyone who isn't white - simply because he's only 15? I would assume the answer is yes based on the "eh it was no big deal because Jordan was only 15, just a kid, didn't know better" comments that are throughout the 26 pages on this thread, more or less.
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http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform...wse-all-issues/2008/spring/the-transformation
 
Fishstyx said:
So you're gonna honestly sit here and claim that if this were, say a tell all book about lets say...Dan Marino, where he freely admitted to hating all blacks when he was in his teens or in college that wouldn't be an outcry to fire him from his TV show and boycotts on products he endorses? There is a double standard, if you choose to ignore it, thats your prerogative.
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Well, in college would be an adult and a slightly different situation. But no, I don't think something like that with Marino would rise to the level of sterling or deen as the OP was suggesting. Whether it would get more attention then MJ is? I don't know. Possibly. It possibly wouldn't have people bitching that about it not getting attention if it garnered similar to what MJ did....but I'm sure you'd rather not explore that hypothetical "double standard".

But amazing how you claim something is so obvious....yet you have NOTHING factual or tangible to back up your claim, just an imaginary hypothetical with an imaginary result.
 
tres borrachos said:
By the way, with all this brushing aside of Jordan's comments because he was "only 15", can I assume that you all feel that we should brush aside and forgive the hatred a 15 year old skinhead has for anyone who isn't white - simply because he's only 15? I would assume the answer is yes based on the "eh it was no big deal because Jordan was only 15, just a kid, didn't know better" comments that are throughout the 26 pages on this thread, more or less.
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I would brush aside someone bringing it up nearly 40 years later after the guy shows no signs what so ever of being a skin head or having that mentality for decades and had done nothing relates to that in any way lately, absolutely.

But then again, why ask people how they'd react to something In the actual context of what's happening when you can instead fabricate a different scenario from what people are currently talking about to suit your agenda and hide the fact your point is retarded
 
Zyphlin said:
I would brush aside someone bringing it up nearly 40 years later after the guy shows no signs what so ever of being a skin head or having that mentality for decades and had done nothing relates to that in any way lately, absolutely.

But then again, why ask people how they'd react to something In the actual context of what's happening when you can instead fabricate a different scenario from what people are currently talking about to suit your agenda and hide the fact your point is retarded
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It's argument by hypothetical. If your hypothesis begins with or centers on "if," one should probably just stop talking
 
VanceMack said:
Hatin' white people and got cut from his high school hoops team. Man...me and Mike had more in common than I thought...
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This genuinely made me chuckle.
 
Zyphlin said:
I would brush aside someone bringing it up nearly 40 years later after the guy shows no signs what so ever of being a skin head or having that mentality for decades and had done nothing relates to that in any way lately, absolutely.

But then again, why ask people how they'd react to something In the actual context of what's happening when you can instead fabricate a different scenario from what people are currently talking about to suit your agenda and hide the fact your point is retarded
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Retarded? Very classy comeback! When all else fails, pull out the special needs insults.

So you complete non-response was the answer I expected. It would have been easier to say "No, I only brush aside racist hate from teenagers if the teen doing the hating is black".
 
Superfly said:
Actually, no.

Click the link. You might be surprised at what you find. I certainly was.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/ku-klux-klan/active_hate_groups
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I'm not surprised. The Klan isn't dead. But as you can see from the links:

Since the 1970s the Klan has been greatly weakened by internal conflicts, court cases, a seemingly endless series of splits and government infiltration.

and...

Today, the Center estimates that there are between 5,000 and 8,000 Klan members, split among dozens of different - and often warring - organizations that use the Klan name

With all due respect, 5000-8000 in the country is hardly a big population, especially in light of the fact that we have over 300 million people.

The Klan was around then, and is still around now. Let's be honest - the Klan in the 1970s was not the horrific Klan of the pre-1960s. I find it hard to believe the Klan was running loose and in the open in Wilmington, NC in the mid 1970s. And I'd like to know what specifically it was that the Klan did to him or his family that would make him harbor such feelings towards white people.

There are many men in this country today who hate women. There were many in history who committed terrible & recent crimes against women because they hate women. Does that mean it's normal for 15 year old girls to be against all men because some men commit egregious crimes against other women?
 
tres borrachos said:
Retarded? Very classy comeback! When all else fails, pull out the special needs insults.
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Hey look, there you go again...being bothered by a word. How very strange given your earlier statements.

So you complete non-response was the answer I expected.
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When that's what you give to posters that's all you're worth or deserve to get back....yet I actually did give you a response. Your example wasn't equivalent to what's being talked about here. Take your example and make it relevant to what's being discussed here, which I did, and I'd say the same thing I was saying here.

Racist statements decades in the past made whole a teenager that have no recent supporting information to suggest the person is still racist and is included as a means of showing how ones parents raised them to be better than that is not something to get massively upset by. That is deciding my different then being bothered right now by something said right now by a teen. Indeed, notice earlier on this thread I specifically said a CURRENT famous teen saying something similar WOULD reasonably garner significant attention and public concern.
 
Zyphlin said:
Indeed, notice earlier on this thread I specifically said a CURRENT famous teen saying something similar WOULD reasonably garner significant attention and public concern.
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Didn't Justin Bieber get slammed for making homophobic comments?

And as far as white people getting attacked for making racist comments in the past, Don Rickles was famous for racist jokes but was given a pass for giving that up once it became socially inappropriate.
 
Zyphlin said:
Hey look, there you go again...being bothered by a word. How very strange given your earlier statements.



When that's what you give to posters that's all you're worth or deserve to get back....yet I actually did give you a response. Your example wasn't equivalent to what's being talked about here. Take your example and make it relevant to what's being discussed here, which I did, and I'd say the same thing I was saying here.

Racist statements decades in the past made whole a teenager that have no recent supporting information to suggest the person is still racist and is included as a means of showing how ones parents raised them to be better than that is not something to get massively upset by. That is deciding my different then being bothered right now by something said right now by a teen. Indeed, notice earlier on this thread I specifically said a CURRENT famous teen saying something similar WOULD reasonably garner significant attention and public concern.
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I'm not bothered because you called me a name. I'm pointing out how you degrade special needs people to make a childish insult at a poster.

You still haven't said why you think it's okay for a 15 year old black kid to say he's against the white race, but you don't think it's okay for a 15 year old white kid to say he's against the black race. Because of that, I'll chalk it up to giving blacks a pass on racism. That's all I needed to know.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
1.)Said he hated white people as a kid
2.)Paula Deen has multiple racial incidents all when she was an adult.
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Even when I was a kid I wasnt stupid enough to hate groups of people. Paula flippantly using the word nigger and a sports hero-icon admitting to hating an entire race have very different karma.
 
tres borrachos said:
I'm not bothered because you called me a name. I'm pointing out how you degrade special needs people to make a childish insult at a poster.

You still haven't said why you think it's okay for a 15 year old black kid to say he's against the white race, but you don't think it's okay for a 15 year old white kid to say he's against the black race. Because of that, I'll chalk it up to giving blacks a pass on racism. That's all I needed to know.
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I didn't get that at all from Zyphlin's posts. What I got was that given the time period, 40 years ago, and the conditions under which he had spent those 15 years, Jordan's teenaged anger was environmentally understandable, and he has since matured and evolved beyond those feelings once he had the opportunity to experience other environments, other individuals. There was no "pass" given.

I'll go further and speak for myself when I say that if the situation was reversed, if a white kid was raised in an environment where whites were targeted by black gangs who wielded all the power in his environment and sowed all the terror against him and his race, it would be environmentally understandable for him to develop strong anger against black people. Now if he continued that anger and hatred as he matured and experienced other environments and other individuals, then his viewpoints would be based more on ignorance and lack of ability to self-assess.

Racists of any color are not born; they are made, based on their environment and their experience. To me, at least, that makes perfect sense.
 
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