Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

Kobie said:

No, he resigned because he knew fighting the impeachment was futile, the votes were there. Nixon's resignation was not an act of honor, it was an act of ... well, of resignation. He knew he was cooked.

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Nixon very likely would have been impeached just as Slick Willy was. Impeachment was not that much in question, either with Nixon or Slick Willy. Even republicans told Nixon he would not have the votes in the house of reps to avoid impeachment. Getting convictesd and thrown out of office when it goes to the Senate is another matter. He very possibly could have survived that. Afterall Slick Willy did. They were both charged with lying and obstructing justice while attempting to cover up a scandal. As for Nixon's reasons for resigning and avoiding the impeachment process, you do not get to speak for him His crime as bad as it was ....it was no more serious then Clinton's crime. In my opinion they both should have been thrown out of office.

ObamacareFail said:

Nixon very likely would have been impeached just as Slick Willy was. Impeachment was not that much in question, either with Nixon or Slick Willy. Even republicans told Nixon he would not have the votes in the house of reps to avoid impeachment. Getting convictesd and thrown out of office when it goes to the Senate is another matter. He very possibly could have survived that. Afterall Slick Willy did. They were both charged with lying and obstructing justice while attempting to cover up a scandal. As for Nixon's reasons for resigning and avoiding the impeachment process, you do not get to speak for him His crime as bad as it was ....it was no more serious then Clinton's crime. In my opinion they both should have been thrown out of office.

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My point is that Nixon wasn't going to survive conviction. The Articles of Impeachment passing were a lead-pipe cinch, and the Senate votes were there to toss his ass out.

vesper said:

WTF????? Seriously? A very young woman who obviously had a need to talk to a more mature woman was not someone equipped to handle such a relationship. I don't know of any 22 year old woman who would!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG the president of the U.S. the most powerful man in the world calling you up to set up the next scheduled time where they could perform fellatio on one another this 22 year old is suppose to keep her mouth shut? You know it is people with your kind of attitude that keep women from coming out and speaking up or confiding in others when something isn't quite right or they are being abused and are too stupid to know it. Linda Tripp saw the abuse and ratted the SOB out for it.

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Was Monica Lewinsky a consulting adult or not? Do you have proof that Clinton stuck his Johnson in her mouth and said "suck that or else"? I am the first girl on ther block to encourage women to speak out when they've been abused, co-erced, groped, raped etc. All of that is vile, inexcusable behaviour on the part of the perpertrators. Should Polanski stand trial for having sex with an underage girl? Sure he should - she was underage. Honey I grew up in Britain and there's $hit flying around there about 70s stars like Jimmy Savile, and a whole load of other famous men who seemingly used their celebrity to abuse women, and men, and somtimes underage age girls and boys. Of course I think those guys did wrong and were absuers because their victims either didn't give consent and/or were underage. But Lewinsky doesn't fall into that category just because she was "in love" like that excuses everything. She was a CONSENTING ADULT. A bit thick, but a CONSENTING ADULT. Doh!

Kobie said:

My point is that Nixon wasn't going to survive conviction. The Articles of Impeachment passing were a lead-pipe cinch, and the Senate votes were there to toss his ass out.

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The Articles of Impeachment passing were a lead-pipe cinch pipe in both cases. Conviction in the Senate is not so easy. I have read many articles over the years, many suggesting he would not have survived the process in the Senate, many suggesting he would have survived. We will never know.

ObamacareFail said:

It's true that Monica will have no effect on the 2016 race. Benghazi will be the 900 lb gorilla on Hillary's back if she runs. Obamacare will also drag her down. She will campaign on fixing is, however it will remind everyone about "Hillarycare".....which she attempted to shove down our throats even without holding public office.

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you know I forgot all about Hillary Care. But I wonder if something that old, that failed to get pass congress is something that will hang around her neck. Now the ACA, that is different. There are two other possibilities for the ACA, 1. over the next two years in may actually start to work the way the Democrats said it would and turn from a minus to a plus or 2. When all the delayed mandates, fees, regulation put off until after the November election kick in, more people than now might become up in arms and 2016 could become another 2010. In which case it doesn't matter who the Democrats nominate.

But I think neither 1 or 2 will become a reality although possible. I think the ACA will creep along pretty much as is and the electoral college advantage the Democrats have today will probably hold for 2016. But who knows? Another issue or even could take the front page and the ACA might become meaningless. Strange thing happen.

Urethra Franklin said:

Was Monica Lewinsky a consulting adult or not? Do you have proof that Clinton stuck his Johnson in her mouth and said "suck that or else"? I am the first girl on ther block to encourage women to speak out when they've been abused, co-erced, groped, raped etc. All of that is vile, inexcusable behaviour on the part of the perpertrators. Should Polanski stand trial for having sex with an underage girl? Sure he should - she was underage. Honey I grew up in Britain and there's $hit flying around there about 70s stars like Jimmy Savile, and a whole load of other famous men who seemingly used their celebrity to abuse women, and men, and somtimes underage age girls and boys. Of course I think those guys did wrong and were absuers because their victims either didn't give consent and/or were underage. But Lewinsky doesn't fall into that category just because she was "in love" like that excuses everything. She was a CONSENTING ADULT. A bit thick, but a CONSENTING ADULT. Doh!

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And she has made that very clear early on it was a consensual relationship. She has never run from that. But those who see the most powerful man in the world old enough to be her father encouraging such a relationship with an infatuated young women to be abusive. But in 2004 the dickhead in his autobiography went on to blame her for the relationship decimating any character she may have had left. That is one piece of ****. I believe in personal responsibility for our actions. Monica has paid dearly for 17 years for her part. But that piece of **** gets impeached for lying to the special prosecutor but never ever had to face judgment day on his actual behavior and the decimation of character of every female he has had an inappropriate relationship which are so many. I wish Monica best of everything with her new endeavor to speak publically on the issue of not allowing the powerful to decimate one's character, those with power over us able to bully us into remission and revise history to suit them. She is a strong woman. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. Because what she has been put through in the media via the attack dogs that are faithful servants to the Clintons would have made most women either lose their minds or commit suicide as she admits she once contemplated.

ObamacareFail said:

If he had admitted the affair it would have merely been a short term embarrassment rather then a scandal. His crime came when he obstructed justice in an attempt to cover it up. Same with Nixon. The Watergate burglary by itself would not have led to successful impeachment hearings. However hisa attempts to obstruct justice did. At least he had the honor to resign and avoid putting his family and the nation through the impeachment process.

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Yes, his crimes came when he obstructed justice and it led to his impeachment. He wasted a lot of the country's time and money with that fiasco, when he should have just manned up and admitted to everything and the government could focus on other things.

Perotista said:

you know I forgot all about Hillary Care. But I wonder if something that old, that failed to get pass congress is something that will hang around her neck. Now the ACA, that is different. There are two other possibilities for the ACA, 1. over the next two years in may actually start to work the way the Democrats said it would and turn from a minus to a plus or 2. When all the delayed mandates, fees, regulation put off until after the November election kick in, more people than now might become up in arms and 2016 could become another 2010. In which case it doesn't matter who the Democrats nominate.

But I think neither 1 or 2 will become a reality although possible. I think the ACA will creep along pretty much as is and the electoral college advantage the Democrats have today will probably hold for 2016. But who knows? Another issue or even could take the front page and the ACA might become meaningless. Strange thing happen.

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Ultimately Obamacare will become meaningless. Obama has already demonstrated how it will happen. Obama has changed the ACA at least 36 times with executive orders. The next republican president will simply destroy it in the same manner.

ObamacareFail said:

Ultimately Obamacare will become meaningless. Obama has already demonstrated how it will happen. Obama has changed the ACA at least 36 times with executive orders. The next republican president will simply destroy it in the same manner.

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Possible I think. That is if a Republican wins in 2016. If not, Obamacare is here to stay.

Thread's not about Obama or Obamacare.

vesper said:

They weren't unwelcome advances. But since you brought up her affair that began in her senior year of high school with her teacher who was much older than her and married has similarities to her affair with Clinton. Both men were much older and married. Both men were in a position of authority over her. Is it insecurities of older men that will allow them to prey on younger girls who show infatuation for them? Or is this about an insecure woman who acted out foolishly or both?

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What do you consider "much older"?

year2late said:

What do you consider "much older"?

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Evening Year2late, Bill Clinton was born on August 19, 1946. The affair happened in 1998. So he turned 52 years old that year. He was 34 years Monica's senior. I say with the documented episodes and testimonies of other women in regard to similar behavior, 34 years certainly warrants "much older".

vesper said:

Evening Year2late, Bill Clinton was born on August 19, 1946. The affair happened in 1998. So he turned 52 years old that year. He was 34 years Monica's senior. I say with the documented episodes and testimonies of other women in regard to similar behavior, 34 years certainly warrants "much older".

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The affair took place over nine separate incidents from late 1995 to early 1997.

Kobie said:

The affair took place over nine separate incidents from late 1995 to early 1997.

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Are my dates wrong Kobie? If so what the Hell does a couple of years matter? He was still well over half her age.

vesper said:

Evening Year2late, Bill Clinton was born on August 19, 1946. The affair happened in 1998. So he turned 52 years old that year. He was 34 years Monica's senior. I say with the documented episodes and testimonies of other women in regard to similar behavior, 34 years certainly warrants "much older".

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I was speaking about her FIRST married lover, he was 10 years older. At that age I enjoyed 10 years older. Boys my age were all about the party and the conquest. Blecch. But NEVER would I have considered a married man.

I do not consider 10 years older to be that bad.

year2late said:

I was speaking about her FIRST married lover, he was 10 years older. At that age I enjoyed 10 years older. Boys my age were all about the party and the conquest. Blecch. But NEVER would I have considered a married man.

I do not consider 10 years older to be that bad.

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I don't consider age to be a factor on a up and up relationship but I do find it a factor when the man is married, in authority over the woman and much more older than her while she is infatuated with him. That's an equation for disaster.

vesper said:

I believe in personal responsibility for our actions. .

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Exactly. She had sex as a consenting adult. She chose as an adult to open her mouth about it later.

Honey I've sex with men and regretted it. Many of us have been there as naïve youngsters. I have however fully taken responsibility for any actions and decisions I took as a consenting, adult woman. I've never been in a position to make money talking about or writing about my sexual exploits. And no, I've never been silly enough to believe any man in a position senior to my own or in a marriage was ever going to give it all up for lil' ol' me. Come on, she had to be pretty stupid really. Sure she's paid a high price for her naïvety, but she took actions and decisions as a CONSENTING ADULT.

vesper said:

Because what she has been put through in the media via the attack dogs that are faithful servants to the Clintons would have made most women either lose their minds or commit suicide as she admits she once contemplated.

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Yes the media can be vile. However the media dogs were vile to Clinton too. The right wing press LOVED the fact that this was stick to beat a Democrat president with. An office fling became a media circus. It was a sad refection on the sorry state of the media and it wasn't fair to Lewinsky or Clinton.

Frankly, if I were a US voter, my only concern would have been Clinton's political skills in office. Not that like all men, he gets horny occasionally. If she was underage that would be outrageous - but she wasn't. If he'd raped her or coerced her that would be entirely disgusting. But apparently, he didn't. Yes he told lies to try and cover up their antics. Cowardly scumbag behaviour, but it doesn't make Lewinsky into the Virgin Mary.

vesper said:

And she has made that very clear early on it was a consensual relationship. .

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I rest my case. Game Set and Match. Thank you.

vesper said:

I don't consider age to be a factor on a up and up relationship but I do find it a factor when the man is married, in authority over the woman and much more older than her while she is infatuated with him. That's an equation for disaster.

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It went over the course of years, they kept in contact when she was in DC.

She does not strike me as a victim.

Urethra Franklin said:

Exactly. She had sex as a consenting adult. She chose as an adult to open her mouth about it later.

Honey I've sex with men and regretted it. Many of us have been there as naïve youngsters. I have however fully taken responsibility for any actions and decisions I took as a consenting, adult woman. I've never been in a position to make money talking about or writing about my sexual exploits. And no, I've never been silly enough to believe any man in a position senior to my own or in a marriage was ever going to give it all up for lil' ol' me. Come on, she had to be pretty stupid really. Sure she's paid a high price for her naïvety, but she took actions and decisions as a CONSENTING ADULT.




Yes the media can be vile. However the media dogs were vile to Clinton too. The right wing press LOVED the fact that this was stick to beat a Democrat president with. An office fling became a media circus. It was a sad refection on the sorry state of the media and it wasn't fair to Lewinsky or Clinton.

Frankly, if I were a US voter, my only concern would have been Clinton's political skills in office. Not that like all men, he gets horny occasionally. If she was underage that would be outrageous - but she wasn't. If he'd raped her or coerced her that would be entirely disgusting. But apparently, he didn't. Yes he told lies to try and cover up their antics. Cowardly scumbag behaviour, but it doesn't make Lewinsky into the Virgin Mary.




I rest my case. Game Set and Match. Thank you.

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Your ignorance is amusing as you claim voters should be concerned of his political skills ...well maybe you missed the info that he was getting serviced under the desk while talking to members of Congress and world leaders over Bosnia while getting a blow job. So much for being all focused on the afairs at hand.

You also refuse to see any absurdity of a man over half her age who is suppose to be her mentor encouraging a sexual relation misusing his powers/authority over her. I really don't care how many blowjobs you have performed with regret when you were young and dumb, You didn't have to pay 17 years in the public light for it. Most likely in all your tough talk you couldn't have lived up to the same scrutiny Lewinsky has for the same choices. Hypocrite.

MaggieD said:

Monica Lewinski was used and abused by the President of the United States. She was barely an adult. He should, for the rest of his sorry life, be embarrassed by his actions. He's a scum bag. So's his wife.

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and as an American I was upset back in early times-our President's had great looking first ladies and even hotter mistresses (Jackie and Marilyn) Clinton destroyed that image of AMerican Primacy

and I guess Monica wants to get some cash after receiving no royalties for her role in Crouching Intern, Hidden Cigar!

TurtleDude said:

and as an American I was upset back in early times-our President's had great looking first ladies and even hotter mistresses (Jackie and Marilyn) Clinton destroyed that image of AMerican Primacy

and I guess Monica wants to get some cash after receiving no royalties for her role in Crouching Intern, Hidden Cigar!

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The only reason Clinton "destroyed that image" was because it was made public while he was in office. JFK, LBJ, Ike ... Hell, even FDR was getting some on the side and he couldn't even walk.

The only thing Clinton destroyed was the myth that US Presidents are somehow sexually virtuous.

Kobie said:

The only reason Clinton "destroyed that image" was because it was made public while he was in office. JFK, LBJ, Ike ... Hell, even FDR was getting some on the side and he couldn't even walk.

The only thing Clinton destroyed was the myth that US Presidents are somehow sexually virtuous.

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you'd think the leader of the free world would have some babalicious chick on the side giving him hummers

I love funerals of French leaders. There are always two weepy women there. The distinguished looking Matron along side the hottie in the black mini: the wife and the mistress.

TurtleDude said:

you'd think the leader of the free world would have some babalicious chick on the side giving him hummers

I love funerals of French leaders. There are always two weepy women there. The distinguished looking Matron along side the hottie in the black mini: the wife and the mistress.

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And Silvio Berlusconi's dames put those ladies to shame.

TurtleDude said:

and as an American I was upset back in early times-our President's had great looking first ladies and even hotter mistresses (Jackie and Marilyn) Clinton destroyed that image of AMerican Primacy

and I guess Monica wants to get some cash after receiving no royalties for her role in Crouching Intern, Hidden Cigar!

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Or....maybe she after going through 17 years of Hell allowing others to define her, at the age of 40 is tired of walking on eggshells and is ready to use her experience as one who was demonized beyond the pale through bully tactics of the powerful and maybe be able to help others who are faced with the same. Whether it be a boss, or another figure of authority.

vesper said:

Or....maybe she after going through 17 years of Hell allowing others to define her, at the age of 40 is tired of walking on eggshells and is ready to use her experience as one who was demonized beyond the pale through bully tactics of the powerful and maybe help others who are faced with the same.

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yeah that is one Possible interpretation. I think cash is a more reasonable one

it must be tough knowing that a federal court has ruled that its not defamation for say the Producer of Law and Order to use the term "Getting a Lewinsky" to refer to someone getting his pipe sucked