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Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

Kobie said:
Really? She's spent "20 years under the scrutiny of the international press"? When's the last time you heard anything about her before this?
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Do a Google search. She has been hounded by the press for years.
 
roguenuke said:
Like me? Do you think I'm making the hiring decisions somewhere? No. But she has proven that she is willing to have affairs with her boss and/or those in a position of authority over her. Why should she get a free pass for that not being taken into considerations when it comes to future employment opportunities? Heck, she has shown that she is willing to use that very notoriety to aid in her getting jobs, why should it not also be expected to work against her in some places as well?

That woman has made a ton of money off of her "poor choices", and is set up right now to make a heck of a lot more. I definitely do not feel bad for her.
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Made a ton of money? Prove it.
 
vesper said:
Do a Google search. She has been hounded by the press for years.
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Oh bull crap, she seeks the press out for the publicity. Cry me a river when you take her serious after appearing on Saturday Night Live.

She is just cashing in on her fame.
 
Crosscheck said:
Oh bull crap, she seeks the press out for the publicity. Cry me a river when you take her serious after appearing on Saturday Night Live.

She is just cashing in on her fame.
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You think? Well here is what I think....it has taken her over a decade to overcome the shame and humiliation. Like she stated it is time to bury the blue dress. She made it perfectly clear it was a consensual relationship between her and Clinton and something she truly regrets. I believe this young woman at the time was overwhelmed by the press coverage and stigmatism that came with it. Now she is forty and it has probably taken all this time to get her head on straight after the brutal beating she received internationally. Cashing in on her fame? What fame? The thing that made her famous is the the thing she most regrets. That makes no sense. The only money she is cashing in is what she received for this article in Vanity Fair? Wow, so much for cashing in. duh.
 
MaggieD said:
Well, you should, Top Cat, when it's the President of the United States using his power and station to inflict real harm on a 19-year-old girl. It's an unfair, lopsided relationship of the scummiest kind. He couldn't even choose an equal. So wrong.
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that happens to mostly nice guys, all the time.

when are women going to start believing in equal work for equal pay.
 
danielpalos said:
that happens to mostly nice guys, all the time.

when are women going to start believing in equal work for equal pay.
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Your post is a non sequitur. Maggie posted that Clinton abused his power and that the relationship was unfair and scummy. She said nothing to do with equal pay for equal work, so I'm not sure why you tossed in this irrelevancy unless what you hoped to do was trivialize what was said or just to pitiably try to stir the pot.

Ironically, it was during Clinton's admins that workplace sexual harassment laws were passed.
 
vesper said:
Evidently the degree she achieved hasn't poured in possibilities because of the scandal.

Why should she have to change her name over a poor judgment in her youth? Because of folks like you? Hello?

This woman has paid deeply for her poor choices. A young woman interning under the president of the U.S. somehow gets treated like trash while the great Billy is excused. Give it a rest.
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22-24 is well into adulthood. She already had a prolonged affair with a married man (before Clinton) by that time.

What happened to the personal responsibility crowd. She was into her twenties. She was a college graduate. Boo hoo it played out internationally. She was old enough to know and she was hardly naïve to Washington.
 
nota bene said:
Your post is a non sequitur. Maggie posted that Clinton abused his power and that the relationship was unfair and scummy. She said nothing to do with equal pay for equal work, so I'm not sure why you tossed in this irrelevancy unless what you hoped to do was trivialize what was said or just to pitiably try to stir the pot.

Ironically, it was during Clinton's admins that workplace sexual harassment laws were passed.
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nope; it is not a non sequitur. I am merely expanding on the line of reasoning presented.

that happens to mostly nice guys, all the time. women "abuse" their "power" as well.

when are women going to start believing in equal work for equal pay.
 
MaggieD said:
You're right, I was wrong. She was 22. Still a victim. It's called sexual harassment.
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Sexual harassment is repeated, unwanted advances. She has made it quite clear that the advances were far from unwanted. It wasn't sexual harassment; it was adultery, consensual on both sides.

Don't get me wrong, Bill was an absolute pig for cheating on his wife and publicly humiliating her when the affair became known, despite the fact that he is hardly the only adulterer who has occupied the White House in the past century.
 
Top Cat said:
All true. But I really don't care who ****s whom.
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Do you care why the story came out in the first place? Do you care that the President (the same guy it turns out that was accused of raping a campaign staff worker and groping a White House employee on the day of her husbands funeral) actually committed perjury while on trial for yet another act of sexual misconduct...one in which he ultimately pled no contest to having a state trooper escort a campaign staff worker to his room to discuss the next days strategy and instead, she walked in on him with his sweatpants around his ankles flogging the donkey, then stood up and exposed himself to her and asked her to 'kiss it'?

The whole ordeal was about so much more than a consensual act. And you may have noted...Monica actually takes RESPONSIBILITY for her role and choice in the relationship. Not Bill. Not Hillary.

You are a crack up. Its going to be ****ing hilarious watching you and others digging the Hillary Clinton "War on Women" meme during the 2016 campaign.
 
DiAnna said:
Sexual harassment is repeated, unwanted advances. She has made it quite clear that the advances were far from unwanted. It wasn't sexual harassment; it was adultery, consensual on both sides.

Don't get me wrong, Bill was an absolute pig for cheating on his wife and publicly humiliating her when the affair became known, despite the fact that he is hardly the only adulterer who has occupied the White House in the past century.
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Ms Lewinsky is the only person in this story that has taken responsibility for her role in the affair.
 
One classy thing Clinton did do, after keeping Yasser Arafat waiting while he played hide the Havana with Monica: "Sorry to keep you waiting,Yasser, would you like a cigar?"
 
vesper said:
Do a Google search. She has been hounded by the press for years.
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"Monica Lewinsky breaks silence" page after page.

Forget google. When was the last time you heard anything her before she broke her silence?
 
year2late said:
22-24 is well into adulthood. She already had a prolonged affair with a married man (before Clinton) by that time.

What happened to the personal responsibility crowd. She was into her twenties. She was a college graduate. Boo hoo it played out internationally. She was old enough to know and she was hardly naïve to Washington.
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She was an intern 6 months into the job.
Interns are Shepard by those they are assigned to
She was assigned to the President.
What a shepherd! He unzips and she fiddles with his midde while he bangs her with a cigar. Marvelous.
Like I stated earlier, there are several things in Monica's life prior to her encounter with the Prez that can account for her lack of personal dignity. She came from a dysfunctional family for starters. But that doesn't excuse a 47 year old man taking advantage of a needy girl especially when he happens to be the President of the United States.
 
DiAnna said:
Sexual harassment is repeated, unwanted advances. She has made it quite clear that the advances were far from unwanted. It wasn't sexual harassment; it was adultery, consensual on both sides.

Don't get me wrong, Bill was an absolute pig for cheating on his wife and publicly humiliating her when the affair became known, despite the fact that he is hardly the only adulterer who has occupied the White House in the past century.
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why do we presume that the clintons did not have an understanding
something like bill, get your rocks off with those who are interested in screwing/blowing you, just don't allow your relationships to become public knowledge, which would embarrass me

bill and monica were consenting adults
and in federal service, for some, they screw their way to the top
maybe that was monica's approach, or maybe she just liked gratifying the world's most powerful person



the two people i do feel sorry for are chelsea clinton and dr lewinsky. they had to have been massively embarrassed about their dad's/daughter's intimate sexual peccadillos becoming public knowledge


and why now? why is monica again exposing her notoriety to a new generation; what purpose is being achieved?


some demo insiders are saying hillary will launch her candidacy in september. a moment when her announcement could re-invigorate the demo voters to turn out for the 2014 elections. any chance monica's decision to get this before the public is tied to that timing of hillary's candidacy announcement?
 
Was Clinton being an ass? Yes, he wasn't the first one to occupy that office and won't be the last. he acted like an ass, he shied away from responsibility, and in general was an ass.
That being said, I have no idea why people are defending Monica Lewinsky. From what I've read she's made a ton of money from the scandal and instead of being a person who was truly emotionally affected by it, she sought out all the attention she could get. Did the international press hound her? Yes, and she enjoyed every minute and dollar of it. It was all consensual and highly unethical. All this crap about being "abused", "not being mentored", "taken advantage of" is just pure crap. She was 22 for God's sake, she had a five-year affair and therefore was not "innocent". She showed up in every TV show she could go to, she wrote a book, she had her own handbag line, and she made millions. No exactly the hurt victim :roll:.
There's nobody to defend here. Clinton and Lewinsky were both asses who were stupid enough to get caught.
 
MaggieD said:
You're right, I was wrong. She was 22. Still a victim. It's called sexual harassment.
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Maggie, it is apparent that she had a multi-year long affair with a married man before Clinton entered the picture. Does that change your view of her?

She seemed like more than a willing participant. And frankly her flirting included flashing flesh and thong to the POTUS. She knew exactly what she was doing.

Not making Clinton out to be a victim either. Takes two to tango.

In nursing school, one of my fellow students (over 21) played these games as well. Disgustingly enough. she clearly got takers from doctors that were twice her age. I was disgusted with her and the doctors that took her up on her flirtations. I never saw her as a weak woman....she knew exactly what she was doing. Some people laughed about it....I saw nothing funny about it.
 
vesper said:
She was an intern 6 months into the job.
Interns are Shepard by those they are assigned to
She was assigned to the President.
What a shepherd! He unzips and she fiddles with his midde while he bangs her with a cigar. Marvelous.
Like I stated earlier, there are several things in Monica's life prior to her encounter with the Prez that can account for her lack of personal dignity. She came from a dysfunctional family for starters. But that doesn't excuse a 47 year old man taking advantage of a needy girl especially when he happens to be the President of the United States.
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At 22 - she was a college graduate....well into adulthood, and well versed in having and affair with a married man.

She can take up her dysfunctional family with her therapist. She is responsible for her own behavior. Hmmmm.....I come from a dysfunctional family. What can I get away with.;)

This would all play VERY different if she was younger. But sorry 22-24 is old enough. And frankly she was already very experienced in how to handle affairs.

Yup. CLinton was an asshole adulterer. Doesn't excuse her. In the least.
 
Top Cat said:
Hate to bust your balloon Vance...but no.
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Actually...you didnt have to answer...I already knew that. Alegations of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, perjury, coersion to commit perjury...none of that matters. All you really care about is the protection of the image of HilBilly. Its why you and others will continue to pretend that whole thing was just about consensual sex and Monica Lewinsky. And thats the point. The war on women rhetoric is going to be laughable coming from her. Watching people lap it up...thats going to be priceless.
 
Proud South Korean said:
Was Clinton being an ass? Yes, he wasn't the first one to occupy that office and won't be the last. he acted like an ass, he shied away from responsibility, and in general was an ass.
That being said, I have no idea why people are defending Monica Lewinsky. From what I've read she's made a ton of money from the scandal and instead of being a person who was truly emotionally affected by it, she sought out all the attention she could get. Did the international press hound her? Yes, and she enjoyed every minute and dollar of it. It was all consensual and highly unethical. All this crap about being "abused", "not being mentored", "taken advantage of" is just pure crap. She was 22 for God's sake, she had a five-year affair and therefore was not "innocent". She showed up in every TV show she could go to, she wrote a book, she had her own handbag line, and she made millions. No exactly the hurt victim :roll:.
There's nobody to defend here. Clinton and Lewinsky were both asses who were stupid enough to get caught.
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And what of the fact that the president committed perjury while on trial for sexual harassment of yet ANOTHER victim? Or that he attempted to suborn perjury from another witness? And of course the allegations of rape and sexual assault...meh...no worries. As long as people can pretend this was just about Bill and Monica...no big deal.
 
VanceMack said:
Actually...you didnt have to answer...I already knew that. Alegations of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, perjury, coersion to commit perjury...none of that matters. All you really care about is the protection of the image of HilBilly. Its why you and others will continue to pretend that whole thing was just about consensual sex and Monica Lewinsky. And thats the point. The war on women rhetoric is going to be laughable coming from her. Watching people lap it up...thats going to be priceless.
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I have grown to respect your intelligence through many encounters Vance. I know we have gone ballistic... You're obviously very intelligent and you have been around. We disagree on this....tis what it is....
 
Top Cat said:
I have grown to respect your intelligence through many encounters Vance. I know we have gone ballistic... You're obviously very intelligent and you have been around. We disagree on this....tis what it is....
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Heck Ive even had your back a few times. But if we 'disagree' on this it will nly be because you are WILLFULLY choosing to ignore allegations of rape, sexual assault, and a trial for sexual harassment in which he pled no contest (not to mention the perjury and suborning perjury). Oh...AND there is the fact that even though she knew about her husbands proclivities Hilary willfully and eagerly threw women victims under the bus in the name of politics (see her comments on Bob Packwoods victims).

And you will ignore this all because you know she is the likely dem pres frontrunner.

Dood...you are better than that.
 
Yes, Monica breaks her silence.

She can talk now, after all.

Her mouth isn't full anymore.

(I may have to answer for this post on Judgment Day.)
 
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