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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    okay monica was so innocent....

    she is 20 ,she knows how to please a guy orally,she looks older than she is.however she is a little girl.

    interesting
    I'm not saying she was "so innocent" only that a going on 50 year old man who is married should have been the adult in the room and viewed her as he would a daughter or niece instead of playing the lets hide the cigar game.
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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    This point has been made by several others and it is a valid one to a thinking mind. My real concern in all of this is the double standards in which women are treated in a sex scandal. And in this one in particular, it happen to involve the president but not just any president but one that was very popular with women, especially feminists who supposedly believe in real and fair equality for women yet most of these feminist elites in journalism who were supporters of Clinton made no bones in protecting him and branding Lewinksy the trashy slut. The elite circle of feminist women like Maureen Dowd, who got her Pulitzer for trashing Monica, Gloria Steinem, Ruth Marcus, Andrea Peyser were just a few who wrote relentlessly about Monica kicking her in the teeth every chance they could get. And it continues today if you caught some of their articles in response to Lewinsky's piece in Vanity Fair. But then again 17 years later their favorite candidate for president is Hillary Clinton who blames the women including herself for Bill's bad behavior. What is wrong with this picture? The only viable conclusion is left leaning feminists are hypocrites.
    A really puzzling question, I agree. I tend to be the type who tries to figure things out and I think its a combination of:

    - Attraction to "bad boys" many if not most women have.
    - Tribalism where he was seen as the feminists' tribe crusader, despite his personal behavior.
    - A mentality that dismisses testosterone driven behavior as "he's just a man" by women. I hear it all the time. I work with a young lady who is plain adorable. I see her as a kid sister and get offended when crusty old farts objectify her but she is more forgiving than me, provided they don't get too crazy.
    - They'd rather put up with bad personal behavior than have policy makers from the other camp.

    That all said, I do think he was one of the better Presidents of my lifetime.
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    I wonder how much the condemnation and the defense of the former President is rooted in partisan loyalties. If the exact same details had occurred and the President had been a member of the other party, would everyone be singing the same tune? I personally doubt it but that's just an opinion.
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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I'm not saying she was "so innocent" only that a going on 50 year old man who is married should have been the adult in the room and viewed her as he would a daughter or niece instead of playing the lets hide the cigar game.
    She was an adult and a COLLEGE graduate. She also had one long term affair with a married man under her belt before Clinton. She was plenty adult for years.

    Frankly...really......how uncommon is it for much older men to seek out twentysomethings? Really. Some just succeed more than others.

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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I didn't share anything with you. I suggest you get glasses since it's obvious I never said any such thing, and in fact, I said just the opposite.

    Do you want to keep baiting and lying, or are we through here?
    here is what you shared with us [with emphasis added by bubba]
    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    She would only owe her an apology if she had a relationship with her - they were friends, they were relatives, whatever. As strangers, they had no relationship, and she has nothing to apologize for. He had a relationship with Hillary, he took vows, he owed her something. Monica owed her no more than she owes me or you.

    Plus, as a 22 year old, like that poster keeps saying, Monica was free to sleep with whomever she chose to, and she did just that. It's neither illegal nor immoral for a single 22 year old to have sex. It is immoral for a married 50 year old man to have sex with another woman.

    Nobody should apologize for doing something that is their right to do.
    you said it yourself, that it is perfectly acceptable and normal for a 22 year old woman to have sex. so, why would that not also be true if she decided to screw your husband ... just as a 22 year old monica lewinsky had sex with clinton?
    tell us again how it would be ok for you for that 22 year old to have sex as she pleased
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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    A really puzzling question, I agree. I tend to be the type who tries to figure things out and I think its a combination of:

    - Attraction to "bad boys" many if not most women have.
    - Tribalism where he was seen as the feminists' tribe crusader, despite his personal behavior.
    - A mentality that dismisses testosterone driven behavior as "he's just a man" by women. I hear it all the time. I work with a young lady who is plain adorable. I see her as a kid sister and get offended when crusty old farts objectify her but she is more forgiving than me, provided they don't get too crazy.
    - They'd rather put up with bad personal behavior than have policy makers from the other camp.

    That all said, I do think he was one of the better Presidents of my lifetime.
    I am not sure that it is "putting up with bad behavior" as much as it is putting the behavior in the context of his work for the country. I can personally think he is a jerk for stepping out on his wife. But as long as it was consensual, let his wife handle the wrath and punishment. I will let the wife decide what to put up with. My gut instinct is that Hilary made him suffer.

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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Someone has reading comprehension problems, I see.

    Let me help you out.

    Monica isn't to blame for the failure in the Clinton marriage. You even quoted my post that said that.

    The Clinton marriage failure. Get it now? The marriage failure was Bill's failure.

    Good grief.
    Let me help you out.

    I 100% concur that Bill's failures are what is at issue in the marriage. But, that doesn't absolve her of her own horrible behavior (2 affairs with married men at the age of 22).

    Not so sure about "failed" marriage, though. People remain in marriage after adultery for a variety of reasons. Sometimes sexual infidelity isn't the be all end all to the marriage.I have known marriages to not only survive adultery, but thrive.

    Let me help you out again. This is a thread about Monica and her article. The article is an explanation of history long past. A history that most of us hardly thought about in many years. The article reminds us of her behavior so many years ago. She is explaining herself to a new generation - ones that were really not that interested. To me, she has provided herself with more opportunity - not less - for scrutiny. She is/was responsible for her own behavior. At 22 she knew better. In the 90's tabloid TV was alive and well - and unless she was a completely sheltered individual and lacked the ability to discern right from wrong, her behavior had consequences. Sadly, the consequences were pretty rough for her. But in life, there is frequently a mismatch in consequences to actions. That is life.

    So, in short...Monica's wounds were self inflicted. I believe her article will just open up new scrutiny of her past behavior.

    I still want to know why she felt the need to launch a pre-emptive attack....why would she even matter in any 2016 campaign? Who would make her an issue?

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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I am not sure that it is "putting up with bad behavior" as much as it is putting the behavior in the context of his work for the country. I can personally think he is a jerk for stepping out on his wife. But as long as it was consensual, let his wife handle the wrath and punishment. I will let the wife decide what to put up with. My gut instinct is that Hilary made him suffer.
    Interesting that you should mention the consensual part. It was eons ago and I was younger but if I recall, I heard a report there was in fact a credible incident in Clinton's past Kenneth Star asked congress not to discuss openly for the sake of the country and that one of the news networks knew about but sat on until the impeachment trial had ended that did involve a non-consensual assault. The statute of limitations had expired, most of the republicans in congress felt the other stuff was enough to secure an impeachment anyway but the report I heard was the unofficial but true motive for republicans pushing for impeachment was they believed the president was a rapist.
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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Interesting that you should mention the consensual part. It was eons ago and I was younger but if I recall, I heard a report there was in fact a credible incident in Clinton's past Kenneth Star asked congress not to discuss openly for the sake of the country and that one of the news networks knew about but sat on until the impeachment trial had ended that did involve a non-consensual assault. The statute of limitations had expired, most of the republicans in congress felt the other stuff was enough to secure an impeachment anyway but the report I heard was the unofficial but true motive for republicans pushing for impeachment was they believed the president was a rapist.
    Republicans believe a lot of things.

    Do you believe him to be a rapist? I have seen absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever. Rape is not about sex. Clinton seems to be all about sex.

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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Republicans believe a lot of things.

    Do you believe him to be a rapist? I have seen absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever. Rape is not about sex. Clinton seems to be all about sex.
    I don't know but I do think he has (or possibly had) a problem. Unlike some apparently, I do think there might be a connection between sex when it is a problem that might include strong sexual addiction and rape. I also think this lady's testimony is credible and does not come across as a crazy or someone trying to destroy a presidency.

    The NBC News interview they did not run until after the impeachment trail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWrlZ_WbjF8

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