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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Good grief

    I must be speaking Swahili around here.

    My contention is that Lewinsky is HELPING Hillary by getting this stuff into recirculation now so that it isn't circulating in 2016.
    You may be correct, but the question is "why now" after all this time? If her conscience, or her actions, didn't bother her 10 years ago, for instance, why are they kicking in now? It does look suspicious no matter what side you are on - either she is looking to get revenge for years of being the scapegoat or she has been bribed or threatened recently or she is a drama queen looking for publicity for some reason. The third choice isn't all that compelling, but I guess it is a possibility. Plus she wasn't the one who lied under oath! On the contrary, she seemed pretty candid and forthright about it at the time!

    Greetings, Lutherf.

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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You're right, I was wrong. She was 22. Still a victim. It's called sexual harassment.
    You are assuming she was sexually harassed and not a willing participant.

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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    To some extent, but I think we are really lowering the standards for an adult woman (in a government internship, no less) to know what is appropriate social and sexual behavior. What complicated and imbalanced the situation, however, was the power relationship that Bill had benefited from.
    I think the naivete came into play when she believed that she mattered to him and that somehow her relevance to him altered the situation ethically and would protect her from judgment. If you have ever had a man tell you he loves you so that he can f u. Then you know what I mean. It takes a little life experience that men sometimes throw that word around a little more easily than woman do. Especially young women.
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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'm not sure how much more I can spell out.

    I don't think it would be the least bit surprising if a significant portion of the 2016 Democrat campaign involves invoking the "Republican War on Women" meme and especially so if Hillary becomes the nominee.
    OK so far.



    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    As part of that campaign the treatment she tolerated from Bill will be part of the equation.
    Not OK- I do not know how to interpret this, really.

    But I'll give it a try. Do you mean:

    (1) The Democrats will somehow try to use Bill Clinton's 20 year-old infidelity to their advantage on War on Women grounds, or

    (2) That Republicans will somehow try to use Bill Clinton's 20-year old infidelity to deflect WoW allegations?

    Both (1) and (2) are completely bizarre. There is no political capital available for either side, and on top of that Hillary must surely have the strongest conceivable personal reasons to keep her husband's affair a thing of the past, as it is and as it should remain.



    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    If Lewinsky comes out now as being supportive of Hillary and taking blame upon herself for the situation it will make any Republican comments on the matter seem extremely crass thus "proving" that there is, indeed, a Republican war on women.
    The Republicans have no legitimate political point to make against Hillary as a result of anything her husband and Lewinski did, regardless of Lewinski's ridiculous 20-years too late apology, if that's what it was.



    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Furthermore, by coming out now it will be much more difficult for the Republicans to dismiss any 2016 criticism as simple political gamesmanship. Basically what it's doing, as I said, is spreading all the baggage out now so that it doesn't disrupt anything in 2016.
    There is no baggage to spread on this non-issue.

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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You're right, I was wrong. She was 22. Still a victim. It's called sexual harassment.
    If her continued sexual gratification of President Clinton became a condition of her employment, then it would definitely be sexual harassment. There's no indication that it ever was anything other than consensual, however.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    If her continued sexual gratification of President Clinton became a condition of her employment, then it would definitely be sexual harassment. There's no indication that it ever was anything other than consensual, however.
    You are exactly right.

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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You are assuming she was sexually harassed and not a willing participant.
    Sexual harassment is probably wrong. She was a flirtatious young woman who was, in my opinion, taken advantage of by a dog in heat. The most powerful man in the free world, and he can't even pick a closer-to-equal woman to get his BJs from? Really. It's disgusting in my view.

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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Sexual harassment is probably wrong. She was a flirtatious young woman who was, in my opinion, taken advantage of by a dog in heat. The most powerful man in the free world, and he can't even pick a closer-to-equal woman to get his BJs from? Really. It's disgusting in my view.
    Sorry but I have seen women much younger that were predators to men in power. She is no different in my opinion. Some women are drawn to men of power and are just as much (if not more in some cases) the predator.

    There's a reason some women are called "gold diggers" and it isn't cause they watch Gold Rush.

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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    So after 20 years she decides to spill all the secrets?
    What secrets? She finally admitted what everyone already knew....the affair was consensual.

    She chooses to do so two years before Hillary hits full blown campaign mode? That's convenient
    With politicians in constant campaign mode....when is a good time to spill the beans?

    If this isn't some kind of deal to dispose of Hillary baggage before the campaign I'll eat my hat.
    Straw or felt?

    Perhaps with all the media attention on e-bullying and her experience of being e-bullied it is possible Lewinski just wants to help others. It's sad that someone's entire life is defined by one careless, youthful, indiscretion.

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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    It makes me happy to see Cons like USViking come out swinging for Bill Clinton and Libbos like Kobie. All in defense of such a despicable act, they wouldn't let their daughters participate in. MaggieD is agreeing with both sides, as per usual. This is progress.

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