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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Good grief

    I must be speaking Swahili around here.

    My contention is that Lewinsky is HELPING Hillary by getting this stuff into recirculation now so that it isn't circulating in 2016.
    Sorry, that is not how your post sounded. Presentation is everything.
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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Good grief

    I must be speaking Swahili around here.

    My contention is that Lewinsky is HELPING Hillary by getting this stuff into recirculation now so that it isn't circulating in 2016.
    Intentionally?
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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    If the affair wasn't so public, I would focus a decent amount on the co-culpability of Monica and Bill. The public scrutiny, however, kind of turned the whole thing into a circus and Hillary received way too much criticism.
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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Um, what.

    My point was that while Hillary certainly wasn't very happy with Bill, she probably wasn't too thrilled with Monica either.

    "Rape victims"? What the actual **** are you talking about? This was 100% consensual between two adults.
    Yeah, he was guilty of ethical violations with conduct toward an intern, broke his wedding vows (again), and later committed perjury over it. That being said, even through his power relationship, she was an adult and knew the President was married.
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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    So after 20 years she decides to spill all the secrets? She chooses to do so two years before Hillary hits full blown campaign mode? That's convenient

    If this isn't some kind of deal to dispose of Hillary baggage before the campaign I'll eat my hat.
    LOL! You said "full blown."

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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yeah, he was guilty of ethical violations with conduct toward an intern, broke his wedding vows (again), and later committed perjury over it.
    Yep, yep and yep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That being said, even through his power relationship, she was an adult and knew the President was married.
    Precisely.
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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yeah, he was guilty of ethical violations with conduct toward an intern, broke his wedding vows (again), and later committed perjury over it. That being said, even through his power relationship, she was an adult and knew the President was married.
    I don't think she has zero responsibility. But I do think that typically, a woman that young hasn't had enough life experience to really understand what it was she was getting herself into. At that age people tend to be very "in the moment". I also think that Bill was an old enough man to recognize that reality (about Monica) and it seems likely that he targeted her because of her vulnerability. Which makes him a bad husband but not necessarily a bad President. It makes Monica a victim of her lack of life experience (which is pretty normal for that age). Hillary was probably mad as hell and behaved according, which was warranted and pretty understandable. It's a shame that their little drama became headline news and grew into something much more than it actually was at the heart of the matter.
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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Monica herself suggested that it was consensual. Yes Bill abused his power. At the end of the day, it impacted his ability to do his job? Well yes, because of the witch hunt that followed.

    I have never understood why those on the right wing didn't go after Clinton for a National Security breach. He put himself in a position to be bribed. Instead the religious nut jobs tried to prosecute a blow job.

    Now cue up the...but, but, but he lied nonsense.
    I disagree that Clinton in any way abused his power or that he in any way abused Lewinski, who according to the version I heard pretty well threw herself at him. The poor little innocent thang! Hillary was the one who was abused, and of course Chelsea Clinton must have had an awful time.

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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    She was 22-23 years old. That's an adult, and not "just barely." She is NOT a victim here.
    You're right, I was wrong. She was 22. Still a victim. It's called sexual harassment.

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    Re: Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I don't think she has zero responsibility. But I do think that typically, a woman that young hasn't had enough life experience to really understand what it was she was getting herself into. At that age people tend to be very "in the moment". I also think that Bill was an old enough man to recognize that reality (about Monica) and it seems likely that he targeted her because of her vulnerability. Which makes him a bad husband but not necessarily a bad President. It makes Monica a victim of her lack of life experience (which is pretty normal for that age). Hillary was probably mad as hell and behaved according, which was warranted and pretty understandable. It's a shame that their little drama became headline news and grew into something much more than it actually was at the heart of the matter.
    To some extent, but I think we are really lowering the standards for an adult woman (in a government internship, no less) to know what is appropriate social and sexual behavior. What complicated and imbalanced the situation, however, was the power relationship that Bill had benefited from.
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