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Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

year2late said:
Let me help you out.

I 100% concur that Bill's failures are what is at issue in the marriage. But, that doesn't absolve her of her own horrible behavior (2 affairs with married men at the age of 22).

Not so sure about "failed" marriage, though. People remain in marriage after adultery for a variety of reasons. Sometimes sexual infidelity isn't the be all end all to the marriage.I have known marriages to not only survive adultery, but thrive.

Let me help you out again. This is a thread about Monica and her article. The article is an explanation of history long past. A history that most of us hardly thought about in many years. The article reminds us of her behavior so many years ago. She is explaining herself to a new generation - ones that were really not that interested. To me, she has provided herself with more opportunity - not less - for scrutiny. She is/was responsible for her own behavior. At 22 she knew better. In the 90's tabloid TV was alive and well - and unless she was a completely sheltered individual and lacked the ability to discern right from wrong, her behavior had consequences. Sadly, the consequences were pretty rough for her. But in life, there is frequently a mismatch in consequences to actions. That is life.

So, in short...Monica's wounds were self inflicted. I believe her article will just open up new scrutiny of her past behavior.

I still want to know why she felt the need to launch a pre-emptive attack....why would she even matter in any 2016 campaign? Who would make her an issue?
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Do you think Vanity Fair is allow the launch of a pre-emptive attack?

I think Lynne Cheney's theory is correct.
 
year2late said:
Let me help you out.

I 100% concur that Bill's failures are what is at issue in the marriage. But, that doesn't absolve her of her own horrible behavior (2 affairs with married men at the age of 22).

Not so sure about "failed" marriage, though. People remain in marriage after adultery for a variety of reasons. Sometimes sexual infidelity isn't the be all end all to the marriage.I have known marriages to not only survive adultery, but thrive.

Let me help you out again. This is a thread about Monica and her article. The article is an explanation of history long past. A history that most of us hardly thought about in many years. The article reminds us of her behavior so many years ago. She is explaining herself to a new generation - ones that were really not that interested. To me, she has provided herself with more opportunity - not less - for scrutiny. She is/was responsible for her own behavior. At 22 she knew better. In the 90's tabloid TV was alive and well - and unless she was a completely sheltered individual and lacked the ability to discern right from wrong, her behavior had consequences. Sadly, the consequences were pretty rough for her. But in life, there is frequently a mismatch in consequences to actions. That is life.

So, in short...Monica's wounds were self inflicted. I believe her article will just open up new scrutiny of her past behavior.

I still want to know why she felt the need to launch a pre-emptive attack....why would she even matter in any 2016 campaign? Who would make her an issue?
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I have no idea why she did this story. You'd have to ask her.
 
year2late said:
She was an adult and a COLLEGE graduate. She also had one long term affair with a married man under her belt before Clinton. She was plenty adult for years.

Frankly...really......how uncommon is it for much older men to seek out twentysomethings? Really. Some just succeed more than others.
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Your last sentences made me laugh out loud. You are so right....it has to be the fantasy of most middle aged men to have nooky with some young babe. And some get them....and others don't.
 
justabubba said:
here is what you shared with us [with emphasis added by bubba]

you said it yourself, that it is perfectly acceptable and normal for a 22 year old woman to have sex. so, why would that not also be true if she decided to screw your husband ... just as a 22 year old monica lewinsky had sex with clinton?
tell us again how it would be ok for you for that 22 year old to have sex as she pleased
and with that, yes, we are now finished here
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Good grief. You still at this?

I missed the post where I used the words "acceptable" and "normal". Can you link to it? Because it wasn't in the post of mine you quoted. Today's grammar lesson...."legal" and "moral" aren't synonyms for "acceptable" and "normal".

And for the 4th time for the reading impaired (you and whoever the "us" is that is reading over your shoulder"), I never said I'm okay with my husband having an affair. I'm not Hillary Clinton. Do you think I'm Hillary Clinton?
 
nota bene said:
Do you think Vanity Fair is allow the launch of a pre-emptive attack?

I think Lynne Cheney's theory is correct.
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No, I think that they took advantage of a story that will resurface an old scandal and sell ad space.
 
tres borrachos said:
Your last sentences made me laugh out loud. You are so right....it has to be the fantasy of most middle aged men to have nooky with some young babe. And some get them....and others don't.
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Who said most? Your words, not mine.

I said it was not uncommon . Do you think it is rare for a middle aged man to think about hooking up with a twenty something?
 
nota bene said:
Do you think Vanity Fair is allow the launch of a pre-emptive attack?

I think Lynne Cheney's theory is correct.
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Lynne Cheney seems to think Hilary behind it.

20 years later what damage is she to Hilary. None.

So this conspiracy theory has someone forcing Monica to dredge up old news and write the essay?

Good grief.

Monica was old news. Now to blame Hillary for Monica writing the essay. That is rich.

Of course Lynne Cheney is blaming Hillary.:lamo
 
nota bene said:
Do you think Vanity Fair is allow the launch of a pre-emptive attack?

I think Lynne Cheney's theory is correct.
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That's funny, because I think Lynne Cheney's theory is bat**** crazy.

The idea that the Clintons pushed Vanity Fair to "get the story out of the way" is utterly preposterous. Yes, the Clintons are politically savvy people, but conservatives like to treat Hillary as if she's Magneto.
 
year2late said:
Who said most? Your words, not mine.

I said it was not uncommon . Do you think it is rare for a middle aged man to think about hooking up with a twenty something?
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"Who said most?" I did. Why on earth do you think anything otherwise?

You said it was not uncommon. I agreed with you. If I said "most" middle aged men have that fantasy, why would you ask me if I think it's rare - after you pointed out that I said "most"?

Were you just trying to be contrary by saying two different things while quoting a post where I agreed with you?
 
year2late said:
No, I think that they took advantage of a story that will resurface an old scandal and sell ad space.
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Who is your "they"? I was referring to one person's opinion expressed several days ago. Do you even know what Dr. Cheney said?
 
nota bene said:
Who is your "they"? I was referring to one person's opinion expressed several days ago. Do you even know what Dr. Cheney said?
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Lynn Cheney indicated it was some sort of conspiracy theory on Hilarys behalf. Acting like they have control over what they publish. That would also imply some control over MOnica herself, since she wrote the essay.

Seriously....how much whackier does it get.

How could the Bill and Monica affair affect present day politics. The consensual affair was 20 years ago. It is not like she was the cheating spouse. Just makes absolutely no difference.

The folks who hate Hillary will still hate her.

The folks who like Hillary will still like her.
 
year2late said:
Lynn Cheney indicated it was some sort of conspiracy theory on Hilarys behalf. Acting like they have control over what they publish. That would also imply some control over MOnica herself, since she wrote the essay.

Seriously....how much whackier does it get.

How could the Bill and Monica affair affect present day politics. The consensual affair was 20 years ago. It is not like she was the cheating spouse. Just makes absolutely no difference.

The folks who hate Hillary will still hate her.

The folks who like Hillary will still like her.
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I watched the "Factor" segment with Laura Ingraham and Dr. Cheney, and she wasn't speaking of a conspiracy--that's CrooksandLiars spin. Here is a link; skip to 2:09.

I thought what Dr. Cheney said made perfect sense. Getting this out now makes it "old news" later. It's a sensible political strategy. The terms Cheney used were "tactic" and "strategy." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ticle-Hillary-Clintons-presidential-plan.html
 
tres borrachos said:
Good grief. You still at this?
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hadn't planned on it, but since you insist on belaboring it, i will follow suit

I missed the post where I used the words "acceptable" and "normal". Can you link to it? Because it wasn't in the post of mine you quoted. Today's grammar lesson...."legal" and "moral" aren't synonyms for "acceptable" and "normal".
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i offered your exact post. trying to now backpedal from your own words?
you were the one who insists "... as a 22 year old, like that poster keeps saying, Monica was free to sleep with whomever she chose to, and she did just that. ..."
and my presentation was that you would not find a 22 year old sleeping with your husband to be acceptable. thus making this statement beyond false: "... Nobody should apologize for doing something that is their right to do." as if that 22 year old has a 'right' to have sex with your husband
that one can do something does not mean that they should
surprised i even need to point that out

And for the 4th time for the reading impaired (you and whoever the "us" is that is reading over your shoulder"), I never said I'm okay with my husband having an affair.
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i know you are not ok with your husband having an affair ... which causes me to believe you would be entitled to an apology if he did. again, proving your statement ... let me think of the appropriate word: wrong
I'm not Hillary Clinton. Do you think I'm Hillary Clinton?
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i know you are not hillary clinton. the absence of logic and maturity in these posts gives that away quite rapidly
 
nota bene said:
I watched the "Factor" segment with Laura Ingraham and Dr. Cheney, and she wasn't speaking of a conspiracy--that's CrooksandLiars spin. Here is a link; skip to 2:09.

I thought what Dr. Cheney said made perfect sense. Getting this out now makes it "old news" later. It's a sensible political strategy. The terms Cheney used were "tactic" and "strategy." Lynne Cheney argues that Monica Lewinsky's tell-all article is part of Hillary Clinton's presidential plan | Mail Online
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This was already old news many years ago!!!!!!!!

There is nothing to get behind!!!

She makes absolutely no sense. At all.

This is not Hilary's baggage. It is Bill's. SO unless we are saying Bill is running for a third term, this issue makes no sense. At all.

But all this presupposes some conspiracy theory that Monica is a part of. That would make Monica in cahoots (I love that word) with Hilary.
 
year2late said:
I am not sure that it is "putting up with bad behavior" as much as it is putting the behavior in the context of his work for the country. I can personally think he is a jerk for stepping out on his wife. But as long as it was consensual, let his wife handle the wrath and punishment. I will let the wife decide what to put up with. My gut instinct is that Hilary made him suffer. :lamo
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Bill Clinton was the very powerful President of the United States at the time and, as such, was elected to make important decisions. Having sex in the Oval Office with an young employee was an extremely bad decision and points to his failure as a responsible and intelligent adult, as well as a husband. Nothing like this would have happened without his encouragement.
 
year2late said:
This was already old news many years ago!!!!!!!!

There is nothing to get behind!!!

She makes absolutely no sense. At all.

This is not Hilary's baggage. It is Bill's. SO unless we are saying Bill is running for a third term, this issue makes no sense. At all.

But all this presupposes some conspiracy theory that Monica is a part of. That would make Monica in cahoots (I love that word) with Hilary.
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Speaking of 'conspiracy theories'...Hillary Clinton: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy - YouTube
 
year2late said:
This was already old news many years ago!!!!!!!!

There is nothing to get behind!!!

She makes absolutely no sense. At all.

This is not Hilary's baggage. It is Bill's. SO unless we are saying Bill is running for a third term, this issue makes no sense. At all.

But all this presupposes some conspiracy theory that Monica is a part of. That would make Monica in cahoots (I love that word) with Hilary.
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Does the rumor that Bill Clinton is considering a public apology to Hillary (and, perhaps, Lewinsky) make sense to you? ;)
 
Grant said:
Bill Clinton was the very powerful President of the United States at the time and, as such, was elected to make important decisions. Having sex in the Oval Office with an young employee was an extremely bad decision and points to his failure as a responsible and intelligent adult, as well as a husband. Nothing like this would have happened without his encouragement.
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And yet, that was 20 years ago and as a nation we prospered under Bill Clinton.

20 years ago. You are making like her husbands infidelities 20 years ago have bearing on current politics.

Seriously.
 
nota bene said:
Does the rumor that Bill Clinton is considering a public apology to Hillary (and, perhaps, Lewinsky) make sense to you? ;)
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Rumor?

Lots of rumors around.

And by the way, an apology from an adulterer to his wife and the mistress ----- no say it isn't so. :lamo
 
Grant said:
Bill Clinton was the very powerful President of the United States at the time and, as such, was elected to make important decisions. Having sex in the Oval Office with an young employee was an extremely bad decision and points to his failure as a responsible and intelligent adult, as well as a husband. Nothing like this would have happened without his encouragement.
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And yet, had an amazingly successful presidency. If a third term could have been possible....he would have been elected.
 
MaggieD said:
Well, you should, Top Cat, when it's the President of the United States using his power and station to inflict real harm on a 19-year-old girl. It's an unfair, lopsided relationship of the scummiest kind. He couldn't even choose an equal. So wrong.
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"Real Harm" It was a consensual blowjob. She even said so herself.

I'm not defending Bills actions here, but the way you are speaking its as if he raped her.

The real harm was done when the Republicans tried to exploit her and the situation for political gain. Along with the media, they were the ones who caused the real harm.
 
year2late said:
And yet, that was 20 years ago and as a nation we prospered under Bill Clinton.

20 years ago. You are making like her husbands infidelities 20 years ago have bearing on current politics.

Seriously.
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The US Prospered because he worked with a Congress (Contract With America) that kept his sending under control. Recall how he appointed his wife, nepotism at its worst, to start up a health care system?

Clinton health care plan of 1993 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was also Hillary who claimed his alleged infidelities were a result "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy", perhaps the first, the mother, of all the succeeding political 'conspiracy theories'.
 
OnWisconsin said:
"Real Harm" It was a consensual blowjob. She even said so herself.

I'm not defending Bills actions here, but the way you are speaking its as if he raped her.

The real harm was done when the Republicans tried to exploit her and the situation for political gain. Along with the media, they were the ones who caused the real harm.
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Clinton committed perjury, which was the source of his problems, not sex. And it was the Democrats and their media who went after Monica and Linda Tripp, not the Republicans. All these facts should be well known.
 
Grant said:
The US Prospered because he worked with a Congress (Contract With America) that kept his sending under control. Recall how he appointed his wife, nepotism at its worst, to start up a health care system?

Clinton health care plan of 1993 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was also Hillary who claimed his alleged infidelities were a result "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy", perhaps the first, the mother, of all the succeeding political 'conspiracy theories'.
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Hmmmm....a country prospering because congress worked with the President and the President worked with Congress.

Novel idea!!!!!
 
year2late said:
Hmmmm....a country prospering because congress worked with the President and the President worked with Congress.

Novel idea!!!!!
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It would be great if Obama was more like Clinton in that regard. Reagan and O'Neill worked famously together as well. Obama wants to move forward with agendas the majority of people don't want.
 
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