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Schools seek changes to healthier lunch rules

Muhammed said:
Fat and salt do not cause health issues.
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Muhammed said:
Generally Americans don't get enough fat in their diets. And you would have to eat an awful lot of salt and very little water for it to be unhealthy. More salt than anyone would care to eat.
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Your silly remarks do not make your previously silly remarks any more realistic
 
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As for offering the kids healthy lunches? Why not just offer the stuff that is good for them?

If they don't like it; they can starve/bring their own/buy it somewhere else (if available).

My guess is if they either have to starve or eat whole wheat pasta...they will choose the latter.
 
sangha said:
Speaking of "wiggle", you're wiggling from one argument to another. You can't seem to settle on "it's not a government issue" or "it's not true" or "we have to wait until it becomes a problem". Whenever I question one, you wiggle to the other.
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Nice, blame YOUR behavior on me. And no, I have not done that here. Post where I've said, "we have to wait until it becomes a problem" for instance.

sangha said:
Anything that effects our national security is a government issue
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That's nice, but this doesn't, so again, not a government issue.

sangha said:
We don't have to wait until it harms our national security before taking action
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We don't have to wait for Iran to have a nuclear weapon before they become a nuclear threat requiring military action, right?

sangha said:
Yeah, the last thing our schools should be doing is teaching things to kids.
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More cherry picking and dodging your own arguments.
 
notquiteright said:
Actually ALL schools learned long ago to provide meals for their students- even private schools. Where CONs get in a tizzy is in public schools low income students get a discount on their meals.

out in thr rural school districts many working parents love the breakfast meal as the parent has to head to the big city very early and a hot meal beats poptarts.

The proper way to look at 'the problem' is not removing parents from some CONvoluted equation, but giving the student as much of a chance to get a good education and be able to get a higher paying job...

Back when there were millions of manufacturing jobs that paid double min wage to start with a high school degree free lunches were not as widespread as now. I know CONs love to glare at the inner city but those qualifying for reduced and free meals are everywhere.

But let's blame the parents...
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The problem with the emotionalism that cloaks ProgLibs in ignorance, is that you're focused on creating more irresponsible parents, when the need is to reduce the pool of them.

Stop it, or the majority will most certainly do so without you.
 
Muhammed said:
Generally Americans don't get enough fat in their diets. And you would have to eat an awful lot of salt and very little water for it to be unhealthy. More salt than anyone would care to eat.
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Uh? What now?
 
clownboy said:
Nice, blame YOUR behavior on me. And no, I have not done that here. Post where I've said, "we have to wait until it becomes a problem" for instance.
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And more wiggle from you. Sure you didn't say the exact words "we have to wait until it becomes a problem" but when it was pointed out that it could become a national security problem you argued that it wasn't one yet. The implication is clear, no matter how hard you try to be unclear.


That's nice, but this doesn't, so again, not a government issue.
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And there you go again, arguing that because it hasn't yet harmed our security, it's not a govt issue.



We don't have to wait for Iran to have a nuclear weapon before they become a nuclear threat requiring military action, right?
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Right, but we have to wait until obesity harms our national security. Otherwise, it's not a threat.


More cherry picking and dodging your own arguments.
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More dodging your own words. I'll repeat them for you
However, I am not exactly comfortable with government as a teacher. I don't look to my government to teach me to "be better". Maybe you do.
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DA60 said:
If they don't like it; they can starve/bring their own/buy it somewhere else (if available).
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Some low income folks don't have that option.

DA60 said:
My guess is if they either have to starve or eat whole wheat pasta...they will choose the latter.
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You guessed wrong. The article says they rejected it.
 
sangha said:
And more wiggle from you. Sure you didn't say the exact words "we have to wait until it becomes a problem" but when it was pointed out that it could become a national security problem you argued that it wasn't one yet. The implication is clear, no matter how hard you try to be unclear.
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That's just it, no, I didn't say anything like that. When it was pointed out that it COULD, MAYBE, POSSIBLY become a national security issue, I called bull****. It's not a national security issue now and it's not going to become one. You want to join in with the Chicken Little crowd here, go ahead, I'm not.

sangha said:
And there you go again, arguing that because it hasn't yet harmed our security, it's not a govt issue.
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I sure did in response to your assertion that it already is.

sangha said:
Right, but we have to wait until obesity harms our national security. Otherwise, it's not a threat.
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Yes, or at least until there is any good indication it will be a credible threat. Let's not forget why you're on this national security threat bandwagon here - so you can justify federal involvement.

sangha said:
More dodging your own words. I'll repeat them for you
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And thanks for continually proving my words (written in response to a specific point) true. You DO feel comfortable with government as your teacher. That's on you.
 
clownboy said:
That's just it, no, I didn't say anything like that. When it was pointed out that it COULD, MAYBE, POSSIBLY become a national security issue, I called bull****. It's not a national security issue now and it's not going to become one. You want to join in with the Chicken Little crowd here, go ahead, I'm not.
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1/3 of all children are obese. It is a national security issue.

I sure did in response to your assertion that it already is.
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So after denying that you didn't say that, you're admitting that you did say it.

Unsurprising



Yes, or at least until there is any good indication it will be a credible threat. Let's not forget why you're on this national security threat bandwagon here - so you can justify federal involvement.
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There is more than a good indication that it's a threat.



And thanks for continually proving my words (written in response to a specific point) true. You DO feel comfortable with government as your teacher. That's on you.
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Public schools are a part of the govt, and it's their job to teach.

I know that's hard for the "gubmint is evil" crowd
 
sangha said:
Your silly remarks do not make your previously silly remarks any more realistic
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A couple of years ago Scientific American did an article on salt that basically concluded that the risks associated with salt are overstated for most people. I don't remember the details but they went along the lines that salt did increase blood pressure but the effects were temporary in most people.

There was also something on the news recently about animal fat not being nearly as bad for you as most people assume. Personally I'm not buying that one yet.
 
sangha said:
I should have known better too. I've seen his posts about nutrition before
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And i've actually worked as a professional nutritionist and changed people's lives for the better.
 
Gaius46 said:
A couple of years ago Scientific American did an article on salt that basically concluded that the risks associated with salt are overstated for most people. I don't remember the details but they went along the lines that in most people salt did increase blood pressure but the effects were temporary in most people.
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And I agree with what you just said. If Muhammed had said the same thing, I would agree with him.

There was also something on the news recently about animal fat not being nearly as bad for you as most people assume. Personally I'm not buying that one yet.
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And I agree with that too. But that was not what he said.
 
Gaius46 said:
A couple of years ago Scientific American did an article on salt that basically concluded that the risks associated with salt are overstated for most people. I don't remember the details but they went along the lines that in most people salt did increase blood pressure but the effects were temporary in most people.

There was also something on the news recently about animal fat not being nearly as bad for you as most people assume. Personally I'm not buying that one yet.
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Then, here's what you do. Go stock your freezer full of frozen Hungry Man Salisbury steak and fried chicken meals. And several cases of Bubba burgers and a ton of those Ice cream Sandwiches. Chow down on all of that for a month or two then go pay a visit to your cardiologist. Excessive salt and sugar wears down the human body over a period of time. They can and will **** you up eventually.
 
sangha said:
And I agree with what you just said. If Muhammed had said the same thing, I would agree with him.



And I agree with that too. But that was not what he said.
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Fair nuff. Haven't been following this thread that closely.
 
Gaius46 said:
A couple of years ago Scientific American did an article on salt that basically concluded that the risks associated with salt are overstated for most people. I don't remember the details but they went along the lines that salt did increase blood pressure but the effects were temporary in most people.

There was also something on the news recently about animal fat not being nearly as bad for you as most people assume. Personally I'm not buying that one yet.
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Of course the effects of salt are temporary... as the salt is eventually flushed from your system.

But salt causes the body to retain water...that raises your blood volume and that raises your blood pressure.

http://www.bloodpressureuk.org/microsites/salt/Home/Whysaltisbad

Now, if you are fit, it's okay for a short time.

But if you are obese and already have high blood pressure, that is a real concern as continuous high blood pressure can damage all kinds of parts of your body.
Plus, of course, they can lead to heart attacks or strokes.

And considering huge numbers of Americans are obese, eating less salt should be a top priority for them...it is a simple and easy way to reduce the damage to their bodies from high blood pressure and/or reduce their blood pressure.

Unfortunately, most foods people love are LOADED with sodium.


Btw - one way to counteract that is with potassium. (I believe) 2 parts of potassium can negate one part of sodium.

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condi...um-Salt-More-Potassium_UCM_440429_Article.jsp
 
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Muhammed said:
And i've actually worked as a professional nutritionist and changed people's lives for the better.
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Wearing a paper hat saying "you want fries with this?" doesn't count as working as a professional nutritionist.
 
sangha said:
1/3 of all children are obese. It is a national security issue.
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First, I don't believe that stat for one minute. Second, even IF true, not a national security issue.

sangha said:
So after denying that you didn't say that, you're admitting that you did say it.

Unsurprising
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Post where I denied I said that. Lying about what I posted - unsurprising. You twist and turn about so much when you lose the argument you forget your way back to what was said.

sangha said:
There is more than a good indication that it's a threat.
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No, there is not.

sangha said:
Public schools are a part of the govt, and it's their job to teach.

I know that's hard for the "gubmint is evil" crowd
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Public schools are an entity of state and local government. They are NOT part of the federal grant of powers. Even so, the responsibility and grant of power the state and local have here is to EDUCATE. We're talking about school lunches here.

You nanny needing types seem to have the same disability to recognize the difference between state, local and federal government. And to burst your little feel good bubble some more - I don't hate government, federal, state or local. They all have their purposes. Telling us how to eat is not one of them.
 
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