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Schools seek changes to healthier lunch rules

notquiteright said:
You missed adpst post didn't you? A common flaw in CONs, tunnel vision. CONs are not FOR healthy foods for the school lunch program- costs too much and the proof is in wanting to keep the pudding... (play on words- you may not get it) IF CONS cared about healthy they would be working WITH instead of trying to delay moving toward healthy and using ignorant phrases like 'Central Planning' or 'forced edicts'....

Just saying you can tell a CON game by the partisan spin they put on everything.... :peace
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You are a very insulting, dishonest person and im just gonna quit bithering with your passive aggressive CON crap.
 
sangha said:
Says the poster who is defending the unhealthy lunches, which are just as heavily subsidized by the govt!! :lamo

I mean, how deluded must one be to think that one form of govt supplied lunch is tyranny while another is freedom? :screwy
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Another "fail to get it" poster.
 
ocean515 said:
I understand children are obese. That is a shame.

However, why are people so anxious to allow government bureaucrats to further remove the need for parents for anything other than the germination and growth of another human being? What happens when we've given away so many rights and responsibilities, they really aren't our kids anymore?
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Nobody is removing the parents. It's just complementing in the areas where the parents clearly screw up. Like feeding the kids. there is no excuse for 2-5 years old to be obese, 12% of them. No excuse. And even less for the 18% of the 6-19 years olds.

Parents need to do a better job and because a lot of them aren't, you get such dismal results. The difference is, that some parents just can't. Some are single parents. Some are bad parents. Some just don't know how to deal with kids. And that may explain PART of the problem with child obesity but the state, and the state educational system doesn't have such issues. It's an institution which needs to work to peak performances. Granted, the educational system in some ares is rubbish and that's the failure of the state and the federal govt but it is tolerated because people aren't making popular marches on the streets demanding better schools. And it's pathetic. Bad overall.
The state isn't interesting in raising your kids. It's too expensive. that's just paranoia. Even in the time of communism the state didn't raise the children so you have nothing to fear.
 
I am waiting for the schools to end the scourge of having to wear pants. think of the lost freedom!
 
MrVicchio said:
school lunches will have about zilch impact on obesity rates. Lack of exersize, shortened or wimpy pe. Parents letting tv babysit and mcd's feed thier kids. Crap ass "healthy" lunches that kids wont eat forced by nanny state proponents doing it for the children is a bad way to tackle such
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Again, you're all a bunch of talkers. The obesity problem is growing. if you don't want the state the intervene, the conservatives should make a civic movement to show their metal and solve this problem. but they won't because again, talkers.
 
Rainman05 said:
Again, you're all a bunch of talkers. The obesity problem is growing. if you don't want the state the intervene, the conservatives should make a civic movement to show their metal and solve this problem. but they won't because again, talkers.
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Except, IF it is a problem, it's not one government (right or left) should be involved in. You want to eat wheatgrass for lunch, bring your own.
 
clownboy said:
Except, IF it is a problem, it's not one government (right or left) should be involved in. You want to eat wheatgrass for lunch, bring your own.
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Yes, obesity isn't a problem. You just discredit yourself when you put the IF there.

I don't see any civic minded movement making a difference in terms of obesity that isn't in any way tied to the govt.
 
MrVicchio said:
You are a very insulting, dishonest person and im just gonna quit bithering with your passive aggressive CON crap.
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Interesting- you use dishonest and insulting comments from the very beginning but it is ME who you think is this way....

A very CONvoluted thought process. :doh

Fact is CONs are fighting the implementation of healthier school lunches. CONs are refusing to fund education- (Oklahoma's Mary Fallin PRIDES herself on gutting Education) rather than train food service personnel in the school lunch program CONs want to keep the skill set at something like McDonalds on a penal scale.

Passive aggressive???? WTF, I say everything I mean in as civil a tone as I can... given the silly statements made by CONs... you and APDST are excellent examples of CONdom....
 
Apparently the kids don't mind, only the lazy administrators. :lol:

In interviews, school nutrition directors across the country mostly agreed that healthy changes were needed in school lunches -- long famous for daily servings of greasy fries and pizza. Kids have adapted easily to many of the changes, are getting more variety in the lunch line and are eating healthier. According to USDA, more than 90 percent of schools are meeting the standards.

But Domokos-Bays and other school nutrition directors say they would like to see some revisions. They say the standards were put in place too quickly as kids get used to new tastes.

At Alexandria's Patrick Henry Elementary last Tuesday, students said they loved their lunches and gobbled up plump strawberries. Kindergartner Jade Kennedy said she recently tried kiwi at school for the first time.
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This whole issue is IMO insane. If one is on a Free/Reduced meal plan you fall into the "beggar" group. Beggar's can't be choosers. Those that don't fall into the beggar group still have choices.
 
clownboy said:
Except, IF it is a problem, it's not one government (right or left) should be involved in. You want to eat wheatgrass for lunch, bring your own.
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Odd train of thought... now healthier food choices are wheatgrass... :doh

I'd say the government shouldn't be part of the problem- just to save some money only to spend on healthcare later.

cheap breaded/fatty/ high in sodium food are part of the problem- seems simple enough for the dreaded Gubmint to start being healthier...
 
notquiteright said:
Odd train of thought... now healthier food choices are wheatgrass... :doh

I'd say the government shouldn't be part of the problem- just to save some money only to spend on healthcare later.

cheap breaded/fatty/ high in sodium food are part of the problem- seems simple enough for the dreaded Gubmint to start being healthier...
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And the irony is that those unhealthy foods are heavily subsidized by the govt. The biggest thing the govt could do to get people (all people, not just school kids) to eat healthier food would be to stop subsidizing Big Ag.
 
Rainman05 said:
if
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Yes, obesity isn't a problem. You just discredit yourself when you put the IF there.

I don't see any civic minded movement making a difference in terms of obesity that isn't in any way tied to the govt.
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And there's the problem. The federal government was not created to be our nanny. It wasn't granted the power to tell us how much we should weigh, how we should look or what we should feed our children. And no, it's NOT a problem in all communities (obesity). And certainly not a government problem.
 
clownboy said:
And there's the problem. The federal government was not created to be our nanny. It wasn't granted the power to tell us how much we should weigh, how we should look or what we should feed our children. And no, it's NOT a problem in all communities (obesity). And certainly not a government problem.
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Aha. Well the government was created to protect the people from foreign threats, agree?
Yes, ofc you agree because it's true.

Well chew on this:


Obesity Epidemic a Threat to U.S. Military Personnel and National Security

Susan Blumenthal, M.D.: Obesity: America's Next Great National Security Threat?

Obesity is a national security risk. Like it or not, the government has to intervene or else it won't be able to defend the people.
 
Rainman05 said:
Aha. Well the government was created to protect the people from foreign threats, agree?
Yes, ofc you agree because it's true.

Well chew on this:


Obesity Epidemic a Threat to U.S. Military Personnel and National Security

Susan Blumenthal, M.D.: Obesity: America's Next Great National Security Threat?

Obesity is a national security risk. Like it or not, the government has to intervene or else it won't be able to defend the people.
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Bull****. Try watching and actually listening to the vid you posted. "Obesity could be an national security threat in the next 20 to thirty years" is what he says. And his screed involves more than just obesity, but smoking, sedentary lifestyle and the like.

Not to mention, the military has huge problems tuning their entrance metrics. They do NOT check fat percentage but rather use the outdated BMI. A bodybuilder may show up as obese under the BMI.
 
MrVicchio said:
Lol. You are in hook line sinker with this goverment nanny state bull**** aintcha?
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Instead of just whining why don't you lay out what you think a good school lunch would be.
 
clownboy said:
Bull****. Try watching and actually listening to the vid you posted. "Obesity could be an national security threat in the next 20 to thirty years" is what he says. And his screed involves more than just obesity, but smoking, sedentary lifestyle and the like.

Not to mention, the military has huge problems tuning their entrance metrics. They do NOT check fat percentage but rather use the outdated BMI. A bodybuilder may show up as obese under the BMI.
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Ah... so you're not seeing it as a problem. You're thinking "we'll deal with it in 20 or 30 years when it becomes a problem"... and when it will be a lot harder to fix. And how will you fix it? Clearly not with the "nanny state" intervening. That would be bad...

I've yet to see a powerful civic movement that isn't in some way connected to the government do something about it. Especially from the republicans who keep yelling about the nanny state. They are all a bunch of talkers.
If you don't start fixing this problem now, what chance will there be to fix it later down the line. or are you hoping that it'll fix itself? How will that happen if nothing is changed. The trend will continue. Next year there % of obese kids and adults will grow by a little bit.. then by a little bit more and by a little bit more until what do you know... it's unfixable except through drastic measures and then you'll see a real nanny state. Or, there will be a collapse. People don't think that obesity can bring down a nation... a nation is only as strong as the individuals in it, and if a large % of those individuals are tubs of lards, then the nation is a tub of lard. Very patriotic of you... not giving a damn about the defense of the nation.

Ok, I agree that BMI is BS but I don't think you can seriously say, with a straight face that those kids who are obese between the ages of 2 and 19 are bodybuilders. They're all children of arnold swarzenegger I'm sure.
 
Rainman05 said:
Ah... so you're not seeing it as a problem. You're thinking "we'll deal with it in 20 or 30 years when it becomes a problem"... and when it will be a lot harder to fix. And how will you fix it? Clearly not with the "nanny state" intervening. That would be bad...

I've yet to see a powerful civic movement that isn't in some way connected to the government do something about it. Especially from the republicans who keep yelling about the nanny state. They are all a bunch of talkers.
If you don't start fixing this problem now, what chance will there be to fix it later down the line. or are you hoping that it'll fix itself? How will that happen if nothing is changed. The trend will continue. Next year there % of obese kids and adults will grow by a little bit.. then by a little bit more and by a little bit more until what do you know... it's unfixable except through drastic measures and then you'll see a real nanny state. Or, there will be a collapse. People don't think that obesity can bring down a nation... a nation is only as strong as the individuals in it, and if a large % of those individuals are tubs of lards, then the nation is a tub of lard. Very patriotic of you... not giving a damn about the defense of the nation.

Ok, I agree that BMI is BS but I don't think you can seriously say, with a straight face that those kids who are obese between the ages of 2 and 19 are bodybuilders. They're all children of arnold swarzenegger I'm sure.
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Sure it's a problem in places, but it's a personal problem, NOT a government one. It's not for government to "fix".
 
BMCM said:
Instead of just whining why don't you lay out what you think a good school lunch would be.
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Pack my kids (well he does now) lunch. Always have cause feeding my family is my job.
 
sangha said:
National security is a personal problem?
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Not a national security issue. Once again, the General, IF he is to be believed, said it COULD become a national security issue IN HIS ESTIMATION, TWENTY YEARS from now.
 
clownboy said:
Not a national security issue. Once again, the General, IF he is to be believed, said it COULD become a national security issue IN HIS ESTIMATION, TWENTY YEARS from now.
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So we should let our national security be weakened before we do anything?


I wish you had been bush*'s VP instead of Cheney
 
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