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    Re: Schools seek changes to healthier lunch rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Another idea I had was--why not let kids have some input on what goes on the menu? When people of any age feel that they have some power over the process, they tend to respect it more. This could be an excellent opportunity for age-appropriate projects in science, health, civics, etc. classes.
    That's an absolutely terrific idea!! That, and some creative cookery.

    For instance, every time I make meatloaf, I grate in four or five carrots and add oatmeal. My meatloaf is deeeelicious!! That's just one off the top.

    Give the kids a list of healthy foods and have them vote. ​Then!! It'd take a professional chef three days to put together some healthful and restaurant-worthy dishes with these ingredients.

    I like your idea. First let the kids vote. Then have a chef put together those healthful recipes. Then have the kids vote on them as school days pass.



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    Re: Schools seek changes to healthier lunch rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Okay, so now we're back to what level of involvement the government should have. You haven't answered before, except for your headache analogy.
    No, you're not "back to" this because you never spoke about the level of involvement the govt should (in general) have in combating obesity. Earlier, you spoke specifically about govt involvement in people's dietary decisions.


    What can the government do?
    They could redirect agricultural subsidies away from the producers of over processed foods and towards small farmers who practice sustainable forms of farming.

    They could change the regulations (as they have begun to do) concerning school lunch programs to add incentives for making the lunches healthier.
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    Re: Schools seek changes to healthier lunch rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Obviously.

    If you are a healthy person there is no good reason to restrict your sodium intake.

    If you suffer from chronic hypertension you may benefit from restricting your sodium intake, but not without cost. A sodium restricted diet lowers blood pressure by making you sick with hyponatremia. What it does is causes an electrolyte imbalance which interferes with the functioning of your cellular sodium-potassium ion pumps. This causes water from the bloodstream to become trapped inside of your cells, especially your neurons, making them swell and lowering blood volume. Thus lowering blood pressure. However, suffering from swollen neurons is not a good thing. It has a negative effect on brain function. But if it's a trade off between being in a mild state of hyponatremia all the time and living 10 more years, I think most would opt for the extra years.
    A large majority of americans consume more than the recommended amount of salt. There is little risk of sodium insufficiency in this country
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    Re: Schools seek changes to healthier lunch rules

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    A large majority of americans consume more than the recommended amount of salt. There is little risk of sodium insufficiency in this country
    Recommended by whom? And why should we consider theirs to be a sound recommendation?

    Also, sodium insufficiency is very common.

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    Re: Schools seek changes to healthier lunch rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Recommended by whom? And why should we consider theirs to be a sound recommendation?

    Also, sodium insufficiency is very common.
    Yes, we should ignore the recommendation of doctors and go with the advice of the guy on the internet who says salt doesn't cause any health problems
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    Re: Schools seek changes to healthier lunch rules

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, you're not "back to" this because you never spoke about the level of involvement the govt should (in general) have in combating obesity. Earlier, you spoke specifically about govt involvement in people's dietary decisions.




    They could redirect agricultural subsidies away from the producers of over processed foods and towards small farmers who practice sustainable forms of farming.

    They could change the regulations (as they have begun to do) concerning school lunch programs to add incentives for making the lunches healthier.
    Of course I was talking about government involvement in general. You can try to define it differently but that would make you...what's that word you used? Oh yeah, dishonest.

    I think your suggestions have merit. I have to wonder if providing incentives to larger ag companies would help as well since they have the distribution infrastructure already in place. Some interesting ideas to explore.
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    Re: Schools seek changes to healthier lunch rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Of course I was talking about government involvement in general. You can try to define it differently but that would make you...what's that word you used? Oh yeah, dishonest.
    If you go back and read your posts to me, it is clear that you were directly linking "govt involvement" with "controlling people's dietary decisions". Nowhere did you indicate that this involvement could be anything other than controlling people's diet.


    I think your suggestions have merit. I have to wonder if providing incentives to larger ag companies would help as well since they have the distribution infrastructure already in place. Some interesting ideas to explore.
    It might be possible, but I doubt it with the sort of agricultural practices I'm thinking of becuase they are not conducive to agriculture that is large scale, highly mechanized, mono-cultural, and requires large amounts of inputs such as fertilizer and pesticides.
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    Re: Schools seek changes to healthier lunch rules

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, we should ignore the recommendation of doctors and go with the advice of the guy on the internet who says salt doesn't cause any health problems
    So now the gubmint lobbyists are doctors?

    My doctor certainly does not recommend a restricted sodium diet. But then, unlike most doctors she has actually studied nutrition extensively rather than just take the gubmints word as gold.

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    Re: Schools seek changes to healthier lunch rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    So now the gubmint lobbyists are doctors?

    My doctor certainly does not recommend a restricted sodium diet. But then, unlike most doctors she has actually studied nutrition extensively rather than just take the gubmints word as gold.
    I never referred to a "restricted sodium diet" (or lobbyists), nor do I support them. Not even for people with high-blood pressure.
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    Re: Schools seek changes to healthier lunch rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Recommended by whom? And why should we consider theirs to be a sound recommendation?

    Also, sodium insufficiency is very common.
    I dont think it is. It is very rare and when it does occur it is most likely the result of another medical condition. Sodium deficiency caused by diet is very rare in America.
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