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    Re: Congress allocates $4.4M for Catwalk Trail repairs in Gila National Forest

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Really? Do you believe that single 1.1 mile trail generates $88 million per year in added tourism revenue?
    No, tourism as a whole in the state, not in one area.

    Tourists spent an estimated $5.9 billion in New Mexico last year, which generated $612 million in state and local tax revenue. In 2011, tourists spent just over $5.5 billion in the state.
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    Re: Congress allocates $4.4M for Catwalk Trail repairs in Gila National Forest

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's a lot, but I can see there's a lot of expense in the engineering and construction of suspended catwalk. The materials aren't where the cost is.
    I understand that but this is a rebuild so much of that engineering is already done. Of course, Davis-Bacon act wages are involved so that likely doubles the labor costs.
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    Re: Congress allocates $4.4M for Catwalk Trail repairs in Gila National Forest

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Yes it is. It's so dry out west, wildfires are already popping up. The way I understand, wildfires strip the ground of vegetation, and when the monsoon rains come, everything that was held in place by tress and grasses is washed out.
    That's true for the Gila Cliffs area...a major fire a not long ago.
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    Re: Congress allocates $4.4M for Catwalk Trail repairs in Gila National Forest

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    No, tourism as a whole in the state, not in one area.
    Did tourism in the whole state drop when the trail was damaged? I understand your point but if increased tourism revenue would pay for that in 6 months then AZ should have done this 6 months ago.
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    Re: Congress allocates $4.4M for Catwalk Trail repairs in Gila National Forest

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I understand that but this is a rebuild so much of that engineering is already done. Of course, Davis-Bacon act wages are involved so that likely doubles the labor costs.
    What caused the failure?
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    Re: Congress allocates $4.4M for Catwalk Trail repairs in Gila National Forest

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What caused the failure?
    A very, very rare flood in the desert. It doesn't rain much, or very often, there but that was the cause.
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    Re: Congress allocates $4.4M for Catwalk Trail repairs in Gila National Forest

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That's true for the Gila Cliffs area...a major fire a not long ago.
    That must have been what was called the Silver Fire that destroyed approximately 265,000 acres of grazing and forest.

    I recall that the town of Kingston was evacuated because it was in danger of being consumed.

    Glenwood Gazette News: Silver Fire update - Kingston, NM evacuated

    Shortly after the fire, the torrential rains came. The forest service staged the reseeding project at the Emory Pass Vista thereafter.

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    Re: Congress allocates $4.4M for Catwalk Trail repairs in Gila National Forest

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Did tourism in the whole state drop when the trail was damaged? I understand your point but if increased tourism revenue would pay for that in 6 months then AZ should have done this 6 months ago.
    I don't know or have yearly stats on that, but because of the wildfires and monsoon rains and widespread flooding, I would say those two things alone probably hurt tourism in that state in the latter part of 2012 and in part of year 2013.

    Flooding has always been a problem in some areas of New Mexico, Hatch NM was actually flooded so bad a few years back, it consumed the Hatch Museum. My spouse and I were there at the time, and water levels rose over the tops of cars.

    http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6...hatch-rain.jpg

    The Hatch Museum has since recovered, and we visited there afterwards. The curator of the museum left the walls alone to show visitors just how high the water level rose to.

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    Re: Congress allocates $4.4M for Catwalk Trail repairs in Gila National Forest

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    A very, very rare flood in the desert. It doesn't rain much, or very often, there but that was the cause.
    some re-engineering was probably required.
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    Re: Congress allocates $4.4M for Catwalk Trail repairs in Gila National Forest

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    That must have been what was called the Silver Fire that destroyed approximately 265,000 acres of grazing and forest.

    I recall that the town of Kingston was evacuated because it was in danger of being consumed.

    Glenwood Gazette News: Silver Fire update - Kingston, NM evacuated

    Shortly after the fire, the torrential rains came. The forest service staged the reseeding project at the Emory Pass Vista thereafter.
    That sounds like the one.
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