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    Re: Rice Withdraws from Rutgers Commencement [W:77]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    They stood for honor and dignity, objecting to having their school bring a war criminal on campus to address the students.

    They stood for something, rather than falling for anything, as seems to be the case here. They objected to the sophistry and coverup advanced by the federal government.
    war criminal?... or the person that kept you safe post 9/11....
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    Re: Rice Withdraws from Rutgers Commencement [W:77]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Part of free speech that you obviously HATE is that people can protest. Why do you hate free speech so much?
    Left wingers often confuse free speech with threats of violence and hooliganism. One can support the former while condemning the latter.

    Disrupting a ceremony and shouting people down is not free speech.

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    Re: Rice Withdraws from Rutgers Commencement [W:77]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    war criminal?... or the peson that kept you safe post 9/11....
    Yes, how quickly they forget how afraid everyone was that there would be more attacks following 9-11 and state sponsors of terrorism would increase their efforts to bring the US down. Having been protected from that they have nothing but contempt for the people who defended them.

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    Re: Rice Withdraws from Rutgers Commencement [W:77]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Yes, how quickly they forget how afraid everyone was that there would be more attacks following 9-11 and state sponsors of terrorism would increase their efforts to bring the US down. Having been protected from that they have nothing but contempt for the people who defended them.
    well said..

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    Re: Rice Withdraws from Rutgers Commencement [W:77]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Yes, how quickly they forget how afraid everyone was that there would be more attacks following 9-11 and state sponsors of terrorism would increase their efforts to bring the US down. Having been protected from that they have nothing but contempt for the people who defended them.
    Yeah, good thing we got those WMDs!!



    Look, as I've said, I think Rice is a class act, and she's a far cry from a war criminal.

    But to imagine that the "war on terror" was necessary, successful, useful, effective, or anything like that, is insane.

    Iraq has become a breeding ground for terrorism and Afghanistan is about a year away from going back to the same old, same old.

    If anything, Bush admin policies have destabilized the world and added to the threat of terrorism (which, paradoxically, was never that enormous a threat to begin with but, if anything, has only gotten worse) .

    Meanwhile, the same people who were prosecuting a fruitless two-front war in the Middle East turned the United states into the closest thing to a militarized police state that its been since British troops were being quartered in farmhouses.

    One more thing, Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, et al. played absolutely no role in defending anyone from anything.

    They, themselves, were among the most insulated and defended people to ever walk the Earth.

    To the extent that anybody can receive credit for anything approximating "defense" it's the folks who wore uniforms, not the assholes in suits.

    Don't take this to mean that I "hate" George Bush or anything like that. I voted for the guy twice and have NEVER attacked him personally.

    His failed policies, and questionable legacy, however, are another matter.

    Failure is failure, regardless of whether it's Red or Blue.

    They threw billions of dollars and thousands of lives down a bottomless hole and have succeeded in accomplishing virtually nothing by doing so.

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    Re: Rice Withdraws from Rutgers Commencement [W:77]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Left wingers often confuse free speech with threats of violence and hooliganism. One can support the former while condemning the latter.

    Disrupting a ceremony and shouting people down is not free speech.
    Not confusing it at all with that, but nice try at deflection. The right typical does that when they can't refute anything.

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    Re: Rice Withdraws from Rutgers Commencement [W:77]

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Yeah, good thing we got those WMDs!!



    Look, as I've said, I think Rice is a class act, and she's a far cry from a war criminal.

    But to imagine that the "war on terror" was necessary, successful, useful, effective, or anything like that, is insane.

    Iraq has become a breeding ground for terrorism and Afghanistan is about a year away from going back to the same old, same old.

    If anything, Bush admin policies have destabilized the world and added to the threat of terrorism (which, paradoxically, was never that enormous a threat to begin with but, if anything, has only gotten worse) .

    Meanwhile, the same people who were prosecuting a fruitless two-front war in the Middle East turned the United states into the closest thing to a militarized police state that its been since British troops were being quartered in farmhouses.

    One more thing, Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, et al. played absolutely no role in defending anyone from anything.

    They, themselves, were among the most insulated and defended people to ever walk the Earth.

    To the extent that anybody can receive credit for anything approximating "defense" it's the folks who wore uniforms, not the assholes in suits.

    Don't take this to mean that I "hate" George Bush or anything like that. I voted for the guy twice and have NEVER attacked him personally.

    His failed policies, and questionable legacy, however, are another matter.

    Failure is failure, regardless of whether it's Red or Blue.

    They threw billions of dollars and thousands of lives down a bottomless hole and have succeeded in accomplishing virtually nothing by doing so.
    Thanks, but none of what you posted has any relevance to the question of what Bush, Rice, et al. chose to do in response to the terrorist attacks. That the current president has squandered the gains made in Iraq and in the counterterrorism effort with his bad policy isn't Rice's purview. That the intelligence on WMD going into Iraq was wrong isn't Bush's fault -- the CIA was saying what everyone knew to be true at the time. The legend that the left spun about Cheney manipulating intelligence was confirmed to be untrue by 2 bipartisan commissions.

    They say hindsight is 20-20, and that's where Rice's detractors heads are.

    After all the worry about additional terrorist attacks on the US there were none for the remainder of Bush's tenure. And it wasn't for lack of trying on Al Qaeda's part. To say that Bush et al. protected nobody is hateful nonsense.

    "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." --HL Mencken

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    Re: Rice Withdraws from Rutgers Commencement [W:77]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    What public figure is without controversy?
    Plenty.

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    Re: Rice Withdraws from Rutgers Commencement [W:77]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Not confusing it at all with that, but nice try at deflection. The right typical does that when they can't refute anything.
    Given that disrupting the ceremony and shouting Rice down was exactly what the "protesters" were going to do, it's what such protester usually do, my comment was right on point.

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    Re: Rice Withdraws from Rutgers Commencement [W:77]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    war criminal?... or the person that kept you safe post 9/11....
    I assume that's a joke.

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