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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    With our global economy and interests, its probably getting worse, not better. Ideally, why not have leaders and elders hash it out among themselves with fistfights, saber rattling, or in some cases...bike races


    (sorry, weird sense of humor)

    I am guessing that, if our esteemed leaders would have to dirty their very own hands, they would think twice about sending troops to be maimed or killed.

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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Oh, we are tired of the War on Terror? That's nice. Apparently wars aren't won or lost anymore, one side just gets bored and wanders off.

    I'm so glad we have these options. Apparently we can just agree to call it all a draw, and all of us go home. Hooray.
    That's what happens when things are ill conceived, horribly planned, bogged down and has no end game in sight. Most people aren't tickled pink at the thought of Infinity War.
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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    It seems that getting bored and wandering off is a likely outcome when wars are brought under fraud, wars of choice.
    Sure. I'm glad they're going to be fine with that option. Once upon a time a war required one to start and two to end, but apparently now the rules of humanity have changed simply because we would find that to be convenient. How exquisitely timed.

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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Have you ever stopped to think that maybe WE were the terrorists?
    I don't recall targeting women, children, and civilians in order to produce as many casualties as possible, hoping to horrify and cow entire populaces because I rejected modernity and chose instead to replace it with a feudal-era blood-fantasy of my own, so, no.

    But thank you for demonstrating the intellectual vacuity of your position right from the get-go. I'll let you get back to the quad.

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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's what happens when things are ill conceived, horribly planned, bogged down and has no end game in sight. Most people aren't tickled pink at the thought of Infinity War.
    Hooray. They aren't tickled pink. We'll explain that to the guys who intend to wage multi-generational war and I'm sure that their response will be "Oh. I'm sorry. We didn't know. Well, if you aren't tickled pink....".



    Man, the tickled pink defense is something we need to really hop on! Imagine the possibilities. "I"m sorry Mr Putin, but didn't you know that Ukraine isn't tickled pink about being invaded and chopped up?" "My Gootness, I am so very how-do-you-say, sory. I could haf swvorn they were at least teekled how-you-say, Fusha. I vill get my troops and be going now." "Hey Assad, why are you bombing half your country? Didn't you know they weren't tickled pink about that? Oh hey, Boko Haram, I' know you've captured, like, hundreds of school girls and intend to use them as slave-brides, but have you asked them if they are tickled pink about that process yet?



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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Former US lawmaker Ron Paul says China will soon overtake the United States as the world’s largest economy as officials in Washington are squandering the taxpayer money on “a hyper-interventionist foreign policy.”

    “One advantage China has over the US is that the Chinese government does not waste money on a hyper-interventionist foreign policy. The United States government spent approximately $752 billion on the military in fiscal year 2013. In contrast, China spent approximately $188 billion,” the former presidential candidate wrote in a piece published Sunday on the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity.

    While most economists had previously predicted that China would become the leading global economic power*by 2019, data compiled by the world’s leading statistical agencies have recently shown that China would overtake the United States as early as this year.

    “News that China is soon to surpass the United States as the largest economy in the world is a stark reminder of how the American people are harmed by the welfare-warfare state, crony capitalism, and fiat currency,” Paul wrote.

    Stressing that only “those who run or work for the military-industrial complex” benefit from America’s overblown military spending and bellicose foreign policy, Paul added, “The only way to avoid continuing collapse is to finally reject an interventionist foreign policy, stop bailing out and subsidizing politically powerful industries, and restore a free market in money.”

    Paul’s remarks come as a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC News survey showed that Americans are becoming tired of their government’s interventionist policies around the world.

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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I don't deny that. I just think that we are demonstrating ourselves to actually be the Weak Horse to an entire region, and that's gonna go badly for us.
    You roll with the punches, CP. I think the neoconservative (the Neo-Reaganite kind, to be more specific-you know who I mean) reaction was far too willing to give the ultimate solution to a populace that wanted it, but had no concept for what it would take.

    Fukuyama was right: democratic populaces need limited aims and limited timetables. I don't think the idea promoted by the Defense Dept. was adequate for the realities of our republic.

    As much as we can be disappointed in the populace for turning on the conflict they wanted so much (Afghanistan), you have to deal with it. They certainly couldn't handle that, much less the concept of outside democratic revolution.

    Personally, I often wonder if the direct land threat posed by Islamic terrorism is on the same level of importance as what Russia is attempting to do. In one way, our interventions in the middle east had eased the ability of the Russians to get away with Georgia and perhaps the Ukraine. But on the other hand, the Islamic threat is more tangible-with slain civilians and a domestic soil attack.

    We are more or less bound to what the citizens can deal with, whether right or wrong.
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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Former US lawmaker Ron Paul says China will soon overtake the United States as the world’s largest economy as officials in Washington are squandering the taxpayer money on “a hyper-interventionist foreign policy.”
    The Chinese are having much more difficulty getting to a comfortable economy than many are willing to admit. They are also (in the mid-term, at least) intrinsically tied toward our well-being.

    China in many ways is used as a binary means of explaining US foreign policy. In some levels they are the boogey-men (economic worries, ideological worries), and then in other ways a potential heathen waiting to be converted (19th century American foreign policy & Christian protestantism conversion onward).
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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I don't recall targeting women, children, and civilians in order to produce as many casualties as possible
    You've obviously forgotten World War 2 then.

    hoping to horrify and cow entire populaces
    Then you've obviously forgotten Afghanistan and Iraq.

    because I rejected modernity
    How about because you disagree with their values? Because that's really why things are happening, not because of a rejection of "modernity".

    and chose instead to replace it with a feudal-era blood-fantasy of my own, so, no.
    Ahh, it's always fun to pretend you are in the right and everyone else is wrong, isn't it?

    But you probably are right...it's not like a predominately Christian nation ever invaded the Middle East during the feudal-era with the intent to convert them to their way of life. It never happened...

    But thank you for demonstrating the intellectual vacuity of your position right from the get-go.
    Says the person whose position is so blinded by years of propaganda the very idea his country could possibly be in the wrong doesn't even occur to him.

    Perhaps you ought to take a few moments to consider how you'd feel if you lived in Iraq right now and the only country to ever launch atomic weapons invaded you by way of lies and false premises, toppled your government, shot and killed your countrymen, killed innocent women and children, and then proceeded to tell you they weren't going to leave until you do things their way.

    Then perhaps you can figure out why it's not such a leap for people to consider the United States one of the worst offenders in the world.
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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Hooray. They aren't tickled pink. We'll explain that to the guys who intend to wage multi-generational war and I'm sure that their response will be "Oh. I'm sorry. We didn't know. Well, if you aren't tickled pink....".



    Man, the tickled pink defense is something we need to really hop on! Imagine the possibilities. "I"m sorry Mr Putin, but didn't you know that Ukraine isn't tickled pink about being invaded and chopped up?" "My Gootness, I am so very how-do-you-say, sory. I could haf swvorn they were at least teekled how-you-say, Fusha. I vill get my troops and be going now." "Hey Assad, why are you bombing half your country? Didn't you know they weren't tickled pink about that? Oh hey, Boko Haram, I' know you've captured, like, hundreds of school girls and intend to use them as slave-brides, but have you asked them if they are tickled pink about that process yet?


    So we wage infinity war and lose our freedom in the process. That's great. Just because some scared chicken littles cannot understand probabilities and don't want to live with the consequence of freedom. Just bomb more people more communities more families, chalk it up to acceptable casualties, and go about our day pretending that we aren't playing into the very system we claim to be against.

    Short sighted revenge will never produce a lasting peace, and infinity war is just a tool of fascist government. Fools running to their own doom.
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