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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ....what do you think the effect is going to be on a generation of young Jihadists across the Ummah when Mullah Omar and Zawahiri declare victory from Kabul after the American withdrawal?

    The War on Terror is expanding, not shrinking.
    if this was a real "war on terror" we would be going after the terrorist group Boko Haram in nigeria.

    BBC News - Boko Haram 'to sell' Nigeria girls abducted from Chibok
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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Oh. We are going to continue to be vigilant. That's nice. Is that sort of like our red lines for Syria and "Serious Consequences" for Russia?

    "Hey AQ/TB SL, we may have handed you the historic victory of a generation that is going to make you heroes and help you light a region on fire, but while you're doing it we're gonna be... well, we will be watching.... vigilantly...."
    You're not going to have the support for another invasion for a while. That's a political reality. I don't know what else to tell you.
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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    if this was a real "war on terror" we would be going after the terrorist group Boko Haram in nigeria.

    BBC News - Boko Haram 'to sell' Nigeria girls abducted from Chibok
    In order to do that you'd have to have a President who was actually interested in showing up to that whole "foreign policy" thing. As it is, BH doesn't fall under AQ's banner, so at current, no one cares. You'll get no argument from me, mind you, I'd love to kill Sheqau - even for Islamist fundamentalists he's a right basterd. But for that to happen you'd have to get Congress off their butt to sign on to expanding the engagement authorities, Goodluck Johnathan to agree to the effort, and in order for either to happen, you'd have to have a President who cared enough to push it. Johnathan may be down (he's got an election next year to think about, and he did go public with the intention to get the girls back. Mind you that may be because of the backlash he's getting over firing the banker dude, but still, it's a public stance he'd have to back up), but I sincerely doubt the President is even willing, much less capable, to get his "allies" in Congress to back him on that.

    But Boko Haram (and Ansaru) are perfect examples of what I'm talking about. This fight is spreading, not dying down. ISIL now owns 1/3 of Iraq as well as a chunk of Syria, AQIM and affiliates own vast swathes of North Africa, Boko Haram is beating the living snot out of the Nigerian military, Al Shabaab has demonstrated an ability that ranges across East Africa, and we've pretty much convinced every potential ally in the region with an incentive to join against them that we are both untrustworthy and incompetent.

    Wheee. "The war on terror is dying down". Except it's not. We decided to half-ass it, and so now it's a bigger problem.

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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    In order to do that you'd have to have a President who was actually interested in showing up to that whole "foreign policy" thing. As it is, BH doesn't fall under AQ's banner, so at current, no one cares. You'll get no argument from me, mind you, I'd love to kill Sheqau - even for Islamist fundamentalists he's a right basterd. But for that to happen you'd have to get Congress off their butt to sign on to expanding the engagement authorities, Goodluck Johnathan to agree to the effort, and in order for either to happen, you'd have to have a President who cared enough to push it. Johnathan may be down, but I sincerely doubt the President is even willing, much less capable, to get his "allies" in Congress to back him on that.

    But Boko Haram (and Ansaru) are perfect examples of what I'm talking about. This fight is spreading, not dying down. ISIL now owns 1/3 of Iraq as well as a chunk of Syria, AQIM and affiliates own vast swathes of North Africa, Boko Haram is beating the living snot out of the Nigerian military, Al Shabaab has demonstrated an ability that ranges across East Africa, and we've pretty much convinced every potential ally in the region with an incentive to join against them that we are both untrustworthy and incompetent.

    Wheee. "The war on terror is dying down". Except it's not. We decided to half-ass it, and so now it's a bigger problem.
    i thought we were fighting a war on terror? that means we go after terrorists no matter where they are
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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You're not going to have the support for another invasion for a while. That's a political reality. I don't know what else to tell you.
    I don't deny that. I just think that we are demonstrating ourselves to actually be the Weak Horse to an entire region, and that's gonna go badly for us.

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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i thought we were fighting a war on terror? that means we go after terrorists no matter where they are
    Hah - you'd think. Until you bothered to read what we actually authorized, which are pretty much AQ and Affiliates. So, al-Shabab? Well, they declared for AQ a while back. Taliban? Yup, they are definitely an affiliate, as technically AQ has declared fealty to them rather than the other way 'round. Haqqani Network? Yup, same story. AQIM? Yup, they were good enough to put it in the name and everything. But Boko Haram? Nope. ISIL? Nope, they split off. Lebanese Hezbollah? Nope, not even Sunni. Hamas? Nope, hunting them would feel too pro-Israeli-ish. New People's Army? Nope, I mean, they're communists and fighting communists is like, so mid twentieth century.....

    etc. so on and so forth. Ansar Al Sharia? ...... maybe? We still haven't bothered to go after the guy who hit Benghazi, after all. Just because someone is willing to kill us doesn't mean that our fearless leader is willing or can be bothered to go kill them.

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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    War Hoax

    Fewer Americans are willing to believe, willing to blindly follow, willing to die for what more and more now clearly see as wars for Wall Street.

    Perhaps the most carefully hidden impact on America’s ability to wage war is the epidemic of military/veteran suicides, numbers far more than anyone imagined.* Current suicide numbers actually exceed the total combat deaths from both the Vietnam and Korean wars.

    Current “Epic Failure”

    There is a reason that American troop deployments into Poland and Latvia are so pitiful, despite the fact that nearly all US troops are out of the Middle East.* America’s “war games” deployment meant to intimidate Putin’s Russia accentuates a frightening fact few are aware of.* America’s trained military “inventory” is nearly totally depleted.

    They aren’t just “quit” or retired, in truth, America has had well over 100,000 combat related deaths tied to* Desert Storm and the Global War on Terror that it has failed to report.* Some, well over 10,000, are from mysterious “Gulf War Syndrome,” reputed to be a “cocktail” of radiation and chemical exposure along with experimental vaccines.
    However, the majority are suicides.* In 2009, a press release from the Department of Veterans Affairs cited 30,000 “veteran suicides” among those who served post 9/11.* Within a day, that figure was never to be seen again and the machinery of disinformation went into high gear.* For the past five years there have only been reports of so many “deaths per minute” or fractional counts from active duty personnel.

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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    To address the part of your post about foreigners, that is the doing of the government. Have you heard about the dream act of the 1960's which encouraged immigration? Or is that Obamas fault too?
    Americans were the foreigners in Iraq and Afghanistan. That was the point, not the Dream Act.

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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    War Hoax

    Fewer Americans are willing to believe, willing to blindly follow, willing to die for what more and more now clearly see as wars for Wall Street.

    Perhaps the most carefully hidden impact on America’s ability to wage war is the epidemic of military/veteran suicides, numbers far more than anyone imagined.* Current suicide numbers actually exceed the total combat deaths from both the Vietnam and Korean wars.

    Current “Epic Failure”

    There is a reason that American troop deployments into Poland and Latvia are so pitiful, despite the fact that nearly all US troops are out of the Middle East.* America’s “war games” deployment meant to intimidate Putin’s Russia accentuates a frightening fact few are aware of.* America’s trained military “inventory” is nearly totally depleted.

    They aren’t just “quit” or retired, in truth, America has had well over 100,000 combat related deaths tied to* Desert Storm and the Global War on Terror that it has failed to report.* Some, well over 10,000, are from mysterious “Gulf War Syndrome,” reputed to be a “cocktail” of radiation and chemical exposure along with experimental vaccines.
    However, the majority are suicides.* In 2009, a press release from the Department of Veterans Affairs cited 30,000 “veteran suicides” among those who served post 9/11.* Within a day, that figure was never to be seen again and the machinery of disinformation went into high gear.* For the past five years there have only been reports of so many “deaths per minute” or fractional counts from active duty personnel.
    Of course many Americans no longer want to fight and die for their country because, in the end, it will end up being a political decision not a military decision, and another war will be lost. Also, what does it all stand for now? How would any soldier feel after they were abandoned in Benghazi or seeing the All Qaeda flag flying over Fallujah.

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    Re: Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    if this was a real "war on terror" we would be going after the terrorist group Boko Haram in nigeria.

    BBC News - Boko Haram 'to sell' Nigeria girls abducted from Chibok
    We can expect more of that until the western democracies elect real leaders.

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