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    Re: Internal Emails: State Dp. Immediately Attributed Benghazi Attacks to Terrorist G

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Romney once said he wasn't a politician and boy was he correct ... he sucked as a candidate.. he really did. You cannot blame any of the on the media. Romney came off as a cold individual.Do you remember when he said corporations are people? . Like it or not, if you want someone to vote for you, you need to be likable. People don't like CEO's / businessmen to be their president.

    I can remember when I voted for Ronald Reagan in 1980, it was because I liked him and he made me feel good as an American. It wasn't about any of the policies he talked about.
    And yet, this lousy politician was within 5m votes of beating Obama,
    even though Obama had the media heavily on his side, in his back pocket,
    even though you had to try so hard to find a single negative story on him, but no problem finding whatever trumped up negative story about Romney
    even though Obama and his campaign had no problem, and had established a track record of, lying to the electorate and nation whenever political convenient or expedient

    Even with all that tipping the scale in Obama's favor, only 5m votes.

    I think you're reading far too much into the parts that you want to read into, and not enough into all the surrounding counter information. But please, continue as you surely will.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Internal Emails: State Dp. Immediately Attributed Benghazi Attacks to Terrorist G

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    And yet, this lousy politician was within 5m votes of beating Obama,
    even though Obama had the media heavily on his side, in his back pocket,
    even though you had to try so hard to find a single negative story on him, but no problem finding whatever trumped up negative story about Romney
    even though Obama and his campaign had no problem, and had established a track record of, lying to the electorate and nation whenever political convenient or expedient

    Even with all that tipping the scale in Obama's favor, only 5m votes.

    I think you're reading far too much into the parts that you want to read into, and not enough into all the surrounding counter information. But please, continue as you surely will.
    I am not sure what that means, but I must tell you I am not buying the BS that Fox is selling.

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    Re: Internal Emails: State Dp. Immediately Attributed Benghazi Attacks to Terrorist G

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I am not sure what that means, but I must tell you I am not buying the BS that Fox is selling.
    I'm trying to tell you that you are buying and believing the left wing talking points and not considering additional contextual facts that contradict them. I'm thinking that you really should.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Internal Emails: State Dp. Immediately Attributed Benghazi Attacks to Terrorist G

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I'm trying to tell you that you are buying and believing the left wing talking points and not considering additional contextual facts that contradict them. I'm thinking that you really should.
    What additional contextual facts are you speaking of?

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    Re: Internal Emails: State Dp. Immediately Attributed Benghazi Attacks to Terrorist G

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What additional contextual facts are you speaking of?
    Which context? The thread is about the smoking gun email released by Judicial Watch's FoIA request, and we strayed a bit into how poor a politician Romney was. Which one?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Internal Emails: State Dp. Immediately Attributed Benghazi Attacks to Terrorist G

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Which context? The thread is about the smoking gun email released by Judicial Watch's FoIA request, and we strayed a bit into how poor a politician Romney was. Which one?
    You were the one that made the statement and you are asking me?

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    Re: Internal Emails: State Dp. Immediately Attributed Benghazi Attacks to Terrorist G

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do you realize this is the story CIA Director David Petraeus when he first testified before the house? He later changed his story.
    You mean the guy that was caught and exposed for having an affair. I guess he could have lied due to pressure.
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    Re: Internal Emails: State Dp. Immediately Attributed Benghazi Attacks to Terrorist G

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You were the one that made the statement and you are asking me?
    Pete, which facts were you looking for? More than happy to supply my view on them for you. Just gotta know which facts you are looking for.
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    Re: Internal Emails: State Dp. Immediately Attributed Benghazi Attacks to Terrorist G

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Pete, which facts were you looking for? More than happy to supply my view on them for you. Just gotta know which facts you are looking for.
    I want you to prove Obama lied about Benghazi for political reasons. I.e. there was the election coming up in a few weeks and he was afraid he might lose if the people thought it was terrorism... That's steaming pile of bull crap.. I don't want your opinion, i want facts. Now, I realize he have may have known who or what it was. But that is not proof. These emails don't mean squat!!!

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    Re: Internal Emails: State Dp. Immediately Attributed Benghazi Attacks to Terrorist G

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I want you to prove Obama lied about Benghazi for political reasons. I.e. there was the election coming up in a few weeks and he was afraid he might lose if the people thought it was terrorism... That's steaming pile of bull crap.. I don't want your opinion, i want facts. Now, I realize he have may have known who or what it was. But that is not proof. These emails don't mean squat!!!
    We know that the administration was informed that it was a well coordinated terrorist attack. Probably could even see that from the video feed from the overhead drone.

    So what do you call it when the president and those in the administration were fully aware of this, and yet keep repeating that it's the fault of an Internet video?

    So, the email. Who is addressed on this email:

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-cont...14.pdf#page=14

    At the time weren't David Plouffe and Dan Pfeiffer on the reelection campaign? Not the administration staff. The Hatch Act makes it a felony violation for any executive branch employee to engage in political activities while employed with the government.
    The Hatch Act of 1939, officially An Act to Prevent Pernicious Political Activities, is a United States federal law whose main provision prohibits employees in the executive branch of the federal government, except the president, vice-president, and certain designated high-level officials of that branch, from engaging in partisan political activity. The law was named for Senator Carl Hatch of New Mexico. It was most recently amended in 2012.
    Hatch Act of 1939 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So, was this email political activity?

    The document lists as a “Goal”:
    “To underscore that these protests are rooted in and Internet video, and not a broader failure or policy.”
    Rhodes returns to the “Internet video” scenario later in the email, the first point in a section labeled “Top-lines”.

    “Now we know the Obama White House’s chief concern about the Benghazi attack was making sure that President Obama looked good,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “And these documents undermine the Obama administration’s narrative that it thought the Benghazi attack had something to do with protests or an Internet video. Given the explosive material in these documents, it is no surprise that we had to go to federal court to pry them loose from the Obama State Department.”
    Judicial Watch: Benghazi Documents Point to White House on Misleading Talking Points | Judicial Watch

    So yes, it would appear that the email is in fact political activity, to politically limit any perception of a 'broader failure or policy': damage control because of the election. If not the election why bother? So I'd have to agree with Tom's assessment above.

    Of course, I don't really expect you to change your position on this, regardless of how thorough, detailed, and compelling the information and facts presented to you.

    The thing that I don't understand is that seem to accept the vile recurring behavior pattern this president and this administration have a demonstrated track record on, which is the bald faced lying when politically convenient and politically expedient. It's acceptable for the truth to be sacrificed for the politically convenient and politically expedient? I see this as a dangerous precedent to allow to be established. Why don't you?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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