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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    All that typing and you didnt' even address how raising the minimum wage and inflation will hurt seniors. You progressive folks have been trying to scare seniors about us conservatives for decades and now you want to put nails in their coffins and not even address the issue? I guess that's how the left roles these days - tell everyone they can keep their dr, a video kills ambassadors, and now give the kids a raise and be happy you got medicare.
    I'm retired military - you don't think becoming a senior is on my mind? Read my reply #80 where I answered the same question from one of your fellow conservatives. Most seniors in Seattle don't have a whole lot to worry about.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Ahh isn't that sweet. Turn your golden years over to the grubbynutt. Afterall with the progressives in charge you can't afford anything else.


    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    *sigh*

    You're assuming that prices will skyrocket higher than the national average. Gotta be careful with that.

    What happens with many retirees in Seattle is that they go to retirement communties in the city - and there are a LOT of them - they're nice, and most people over 60 can qualify.

    The next step from there are assisted living facilities. The state pays the facility (which is not a nursing home by any means) a set amount, and the retired people have a safe place to live, food to eat, access to recreation, transport pretty much anywhere in the city they want to go, (or drive if they have a car) and yes, they still have spending money - their rent and food and medical is taken care of.

    I do know a little bit about this - I'm retired military, and having run an adult family home for the elderly, we did learn about the competition - we were the next step, the one between assisted living facilities and the nursing homes.

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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Huh? Where did I say that their system is more expensive? I never said that! In fact - and again, from your reference:

    The most recent data on social spending in OECD countries shows that in 2007, the year before the global financial crisis, Australia spent 16 per cent of GDP on cash benefits (including pensions and unemployment payments, healthcare and community services) compared to an OECD average of just over 19 per cent. We actually spent a little less than the United States and Japan, and the only countries that spent substantially less than we did were lower-income countries like Mexico, Chile, Turkey and Korea.
    In most rich countries, the welfare state is the largest single component of public spending and therefore the main determinant of how much tax income needs to be collected. About half of all the taxes collected in Australia are directed to social spending, but because we spend less than average we also have lower taxes than average. With taxes at about 27 per cent of GDP in 2008 compared to an OECD average of close to 35 per cent, Australia is the sixth lowest-taxing country in the OECD.
    The US spends about 20% of GDP on social programs while Austrailia spends about 19.5% of GDP on social programs. While those numbers are close, Australia has a lower poverty rate and a higher (over double) MW, in other words Australia spends about the same percentage of its GDP to help fewer poor folks. I maintain that is because of Australia's higher cost of living - a natural result of higher wages.

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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Ahh isn't that sweet. Turn your golden years over to the grubbynutt. Afterall with the progressives in charge you can't afford anything else.
    In other words, I blew away your "the lib'ruls are screwing over the seniors!" point, and you couldn't think of anything in reply other than to post an insult. I guess you couldn't bring yourself to say, "hey, they really are taking care of their seniors".
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The US spends about 20% of GDP on social programs while Austrailia spends about 19.5% of GDP on social programs. While those numbers are close, Australia has a lower poverty rate and a higher (over double) MW, in other words Australia spends about the same percentage of its GDP to help fewer poor folks. I maintain that is because of Australia's higher cost of living - a natural result of higher wages.

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    Didja notice in your reference that the percentages from almost every nation rose significantly from 2006 to 2013? The biggest jump seems to have taken place in 2009-2010. Hm, wonder why?

    Anyway, you've got a good point that their MW is not as effectively high since their cost of living is significantly higher, too. But that's not all there is to it - for instance, is the cost of their single-payer health care included in the cost of social spending? That's not a given. Is ours? I guess what I'm getting to is how is the cost of social spending defined for the two countries?
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    In other words, I blew away your "the lib'ruls are screwing over the seniors!" point, and you couldn't think of anything in reply other than to post an insult. I guess you couldn't bring yourself to say, "hey, they really are taking care of their seniors".
    While that may be true in Seattle, WA that is not part of any national MW increase mandate. What most desire is to be able to live as they please, not as the government directs them to. As I said from the start, I have no objection to a local MW increase - but don't mess with Texas.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    While I am generally in favor of increasing the minimum wage, I do not think this dollar amount will attract the desired results.

    That being said, I live nowhere in the vicinity of Seattle, so go for it.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    While that may be true in Seattle, WA that is not part of any national MW increase mandate. What most desire is to be able to live as they please, not as the government directs them to. As I said from the start, I have no objection to a local MW increase - but don't mess with Texas.
    The government's not directing them to do any such thing. To live in such places is an option and nothing more - if they want to live somewhere else, no problem. If they want to move out, no problem. If they want to stay there as long as they can, no problem. The only way that the state government's involved is by allowing business models and a business climate where such places work in the private sector.

    The point is, it can work - we're proving that it can.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    I say there should be a compromise. Wages should increase with cost of living.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And when - when! - Seattle's economy continues to grow after the $15/hour MW is in effect, what will the conservatives say then?
    It wont, because arbitrarily raising cost on Bussiness to grow economies is a simplistic and innane Liberal concept that doesn't work.

    Good luck Washington state, you're as gullible and simple minded as I thought you were

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