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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And when - when! - Seattle's economy continues to grow after the $15/hour MW is in effect, what will the conservatives say then?
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The only science you're demanding is science that says what you want to hear, what you've already decided that it must say.

    Which is why only 6% of ALL American scientists are Republicans - the rest are independents and Democrats...and mostly liberal.
    I don't care about hearing what I want to hear, what I care about is the truth.

    BTW - Over 70% of scientists/researchers admit to lying about their research to keep the $ flowing. Must be nice knowing that you listen to people who think that lying for money is acceptable.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It might not be worth $15 per hour.
    Then perhaps that service just isn't important enough for you to fund it. Because the alternative is that you demand people live in poverty and collect my tax dollars just so you can have your burger 50 cents cheaper.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Then perhaps that service just isn't important enough for you to fund it. Because the alternative is that you demand people live in poverty and collect my tax dollars just so you can have your burger 50 cents cheaper.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    I don't care about hearing what I want to hear, what I care about is the truth.

    BTW - Over 70% of scientists/researchers admit to lying about their research to keep the $ flowing. Must be nice knowing that you listen to people who think that lying for money is acceptable.
    You say you care about the truth...and then you post some tripe about 70% of scientists and researchers admitting to lying about heir research to keep the dollars flowing. Of course you didn't post a reference for that....
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Wow how do you not get this. Of course it is tariffs and duties when did I ever say anything different.
    You were saying the increased price was because those items weren't built there...the implication being that that was the only factor. All I did was point out that that wasn't even close to being the whole story.

    We are talking about the effects low labor wages have on the costs of goods. Items that are imported have almost no local labor costs in them so the local wage has virtually no effect on the cost of an item.
    I'm glad you agree with me on that.

    You were arguing that the lower labor in 3rd world countries does not cause items to cost less. Obviously an item that doesn't use hardly any of that local labor to be produced will not be effected by the labor rate. Items that need local labor to be produced like food or services are much cheaper there.
    very true - we've got no argument there. But the simple fact that Jollibee - which uses largely locally-sourced food - has the same prices in high-wage Manila as it does in low-wage Mindanao shows that higher wages do not automatically translate into higher prices. If that minimum wage is still low enough that those earning it still have to struggle, that in and of itself will keep the prices down.

    You arguing what things like cars and other imported items cost and why they cost what they do has virtually no bearing on this conversation.
    Last I recall, you brought up how cheap it was to live there - I had to remind you that some things there are much more expensive than they are here.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You were saying the increased price was because those items weren't built there...the implication being that that was the only factor. All I did was point out that that wasn't even close to being the whole story.

    Nope try again. You were the one saying that due to low labor costs (the topic of this thread) things like high tech stuff should be cheaper when there not. You whole market rules don't always apply bit. I said why would they be cheaper almost no PI labor goes into building them.

    I'm glad you agree with me on that.



    very true - we've got no argument there. But the simple fact that Jollibee - which uses largely locally-sourced food - has the same prices in high-wage Manila as it does in low-wage Mindanao shows that higher wages do not automatically translate into higher prices. If that minimum wage is still low enough that those earning it still have to struggle, that in and of itself will keep the prices down.



    Last I recall, you brought up how cheap it was to live there - I had to remind you that some things there are much more expensive than they are here.
    First I have never seen stuff that was more expensive than in the US or at least very close to the same price there may be some things just haven't seen them. And with everything else being so much cheaper it is much cheaper to live there that's one of the major reasons so many dudes retire there.

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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    First I have never seen stuff that was more expensive than in the US or at least very close to the same price there may be some things just haven't seen them. And with everything else being so much cheaper it is much cheaper to live there that's one of the major reasons so many dudes retire there.
    Then you didn't do much in the way of shopping there for major purchases. You can't have - otherwise you wouldn't be making the claim that you haven't seen stuff that's more expensive there than the US. And I'm not the only one who's seen it. And here's another one. And here. And here.

    And this is a great site - a list of the cheapest 28 cities where to buy electronics, after allowing for local wages. Manila's not on that list...but NYC and SF are.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Then you didn't do much in the way of shopping there for major purchases. You can't have - otherwise you wouldn't be making the claim that you haven't seen stuff that's more expensive there than the US. And I'm not the only one who's seen it. And here's another one. And here. And here.

    And this is a great site - a list of the cheapest 28 cities where to buy electronics, after allowing for local wages. Manila's not on that list...but NYC and SF are.
    Anecdotal links. I have been to Manila and it is cheaper than many other countries in the region, Hong Kong and Singapore are expensive as hell when it comes to anything, especially food and drink. I know a lot of American expats who have retired in the southern islands and are living well with just their SS benefits.

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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Anecdotal links. I have been to Manila and it is cheaper than many other countries in the region, Hong Kong and Singapore are expensive as hell when it comes to anything, especially food and drink. I know a lot of American expats who have retired in the southern islands and are living well with just their SS benefits.
    It IS cheaper in so many ways - but if you'd looked back at the discussion before butting in, you'd have seen that what I said was much more expensive was electronics and high-tech items...which is precisely what the links I provided said, too.

    And btw - when it comes to shopping for food, the supermarkets there in Manila aren't much cheaper - and in some ways more expensive - than here. But most people there (unless they have money) don't shop at the supermarkets - they go to the palengki (I'm not sure how it's spelled), the open-air market where everything is MUCH cheaper...but sanitation is nowhere to be seen.
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