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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Not so much. Even working full-time at $15/hr doesn't mean one has a whole lot of extra money to spend - it only means that one has enough to spend on essentials without having to depend on government assistance. They're still going to hunt for the best bargains not out of choice, but out of necessity...which means that market forces will not allow prices to go up nearly so much as you seem to suppose.
    Its a vicious cycle; raise wages and prices will go up. It may be more than the market can bear.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Less regulation is good for the economy, then no regulation will be even better. DEATH TO AMERICA. ANARCHY!

    Lower taxes are good for the economy, so maybe we should have 0% taxes for all! Run an all-volunteer government. I'm sure the highways will be fine and our troops will have... You know, bullets and things.
    Apples and oranges.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Its a vicious cycle; raise wages and prices will go up. It may be more than the market can bear.
    Agreed.

    The economy is like an inflated balloon. You poke the balloon with a min wage hike, it's going to push out, have impact, someplace else, which is sometimes hard to predict and often not a desirable impact.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    When?

    it could be a small business killer.

    what's seattle's current average hourly wage?
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Everybody supports it, including local businesses... that is freaking great.
    SO says the politician wishing to impose it on them.

    Funny you hear none of them agreeing.

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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    With all the gloom and doom about Seattle. Why not look at places where these type of things have been attempted.

    Holy crap, folks wrote the nastiest op ed pieces and had visions of San Francisco's higher minimum wage destroying SF economy. Many years later? Still there. All the gloom and doom projections were wrong.

    San Francisco's Higher Minimum Wage Hasn't Hurt the Economy - Businessweek

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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    LOL !

    Damn, why doesn't Washington do something uselful to actually HELP their economy instead of killing whats left of it ?

    Like what's WE'RE doing in Texas ?

    We're incentivizing growth by making it profitable for Companies to relocate here and its working !

    Ask Torrance California if you don't beleive me.

    We're not targeting the discretionary income of our citizens with stupid tax increases and energy policies that guarantee higher energy cost.

    We're # 45 on the list of States with the Highest Tax burden on it's Citizens and we're building a real surplus.

    Any Bussiness that that even thinks of moving into Washington State knows immediately that their cost on labor is going to be double of what it is in other States.

    LOL !! Good luck with that nonsense.

    You people are just too stubborn to admit your short sighted inept policies kill economies and produce mors poverty and suffering.

    Imagine the simple mindedness that it takes to believe the concept that arbitrarily wage amounts mandated by the Government will increase economic growth.

    Its just unbelievable.
    Here's the interesting thing - businesses sometimes move out of high-tax states like Washington...for instance, Boeing moved its headquarters away - not to Texas, but to Chicago. But its operations in Everett, Washington are here to stay for at least another 20, 30 years at a minimum thanks to a union deal signed just a month or so ago.

    But how about you look at this list of businesses based here in high-tax, business-unfriendly Puget Sound? The list is not short, and many of the corporations are not small. You may have heard of some of them - Microsoft, Amazon, Weyerhauser, Starbucks, the list goes on. Of course most of them can't compare to Big Oil - but we're not an oil state, and we're much smaller than Texas.

    So...thanks, but no thanks, we're doing Just Fine without you.

    Oh, and one more thing - it's not just Texas that has a surplus - almost all states are required to maintain one, and it was the Great Recession that made that so difficult. Not only that, but while Texas might be doing well on having low taxes, in other areas, Texas is NOT something to brag bout. 41% of the teachers there have to have second jobs just to get by (compared to 11% in 1981) - that's SHAMEFUL, and it will harm your state's people for generations to come. Not only that, but you've got one of the nation's worst health care systems:

    As it turns out, Texas is a role model only in the sense of being a horrible example to be avoided at all costs. As the numbers show, by almost every objective measure the Texas health care system ranks among the very worst in the nation.

    That starts with leading the U.S. in the percentage of uninsured residents, the very crisis the Medicaid expansion was designed to help alleviate. Over six million Texans have no health insurance, leaving 24 percent of residents (and over 30 percent between the ages of 18 and 64) without coverage. As a result, The Hill noted, Texas "confronts billions of dollars' worth of uncompensated hospital care every year" which add an estimated $1,800 a year to the average private insurance premium in in the state. In its last state health care scorecard for 2009, the Commonwealth Fund rated Texas dead last in access to medical care. Across all five indicators (see table above), Rick Perry's state ranked a dismal 46th.


    So...no, I would choose Washington state over Texas any day of the week - we've got a healthier, better-educated population...mainly because we realize that we have to be willing to PAY in order to have that healthier, better-educated population.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Seattle the future Detroit!!! woohooo

    as no new business will come in. and the existing businesses will struggle to make ends meet!

    lets see slave wages in china or pay 15 an hour in Seattle sorta a no brainer. they should go higher they are just limiting themselves at 15 an hour.

    I dont see why they dont just give everyone in america some of that 1 trillion a year they have been printing. total utopia!

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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Apples and oranges.
    No. You say tax cuts are good, therefore no taxes must be better. Sorry dude, if you get to spew that bull**** I'm gonna throw it right back at you. If you get to extrapolate anything to whatever extreme you want, so do I.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    If you don't realize that there is more to pay then just what an employee costs i can't help you. if you want to site a source that compares apples to oranges go head it holds no weight in what we are talking about.






    Cherry picking data will not help you either. NY and SF are some of the most highest cost of living places out there yet even at 10 dollars you could make it. you are not going to live in the high end of town or anything but you could still make it.

    again you said 10 dollars and 15 was bad pay you made no mention of family it isn't my fault that you presented an easily countered argument. moving the goal posts is a fallacy.
    you know nothing about me so all you are doing is making supported assumptions. which hurts what little of an argument you have left.

    funny how you have still failed to address any of the points that made in the orginal post.

    you have yet to take into account:

    1. The cost increase due to inflated wages.
    2. The additional cost of inflated salaries. if minimum wage workers get an 8 dollar hike then professions are going to want that and more. you can't raise the bottom line without pushing up everyone else. this to has higher costs as well.

    3. You have yet to factor in jobs LOST due to costs and or cutbacks.
    4. You have yet to factor in people that will no longer be qualified to do these jobs now.
    5. you have yet to factor in lost job oppertunities. IE people that would like to start a business but can't now due to the price of labor.

    so if 15 isn't good enough lets just pay everyone 100k a year then no one is poor everyone can live on that and everyone should be happy.
    ol yea we have things called economic theories that say this is a bad idea it doesn't work and leads to more people unemployed or on part time.
    And what, exactly, do you have as experience in living in a high-cost city earning $10/hr? And what about as a parent?

    And what you yourself are not factoring in is the fact that while initially there will be a higher cost to the corporations, the simple fact that the low-wage people have significantly more money to spend - and unlike rich people, poor people generally spend ALL their money every month - and because of that, the local businesses will prosper, and so will the corporations in turn.

    If you want proof, just ask yourself why it is that low-wage red states generally have significantly higher poverty levels than higher-wage blue states. You're arguing against success, guy.
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