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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    It wont, because arbitrarily raising cost on Bussiness to grow economies is a simplistic and innane Liberal concept that doesn't work.

    Good luck Washington state, you're as gullible and simple minded as I thought you were
    Would you care to show me a first-world democracy that doesn't have a significant minimum wage, whether driven by government or by unions?

    Didn't think so.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Hey, its a minimum wage increase plus they're going to all renewable energy.

    LOL !! By the time the consequences of both of those idiotic policies hit them it will be too late.

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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Would you care to show me a first-world democracy that doesn't have a significant minimum wage, whether driven by government or by unions?

    Didn't think so.
    If it's " driven" by anything other than a Free Market its doomed to failure.

    Like there aren't enough examples of the damage stupid Government policies like this have on State Economies.

    Raising the minimum wage is rhetoric specifically aimed at the low information crowd who's susceptible to these kind of simple minded solutions.

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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Hey, its a minimum wage increase plus they're going to all renewable energy.

    LOL !! By the time the consequences of both of those idiotic policies hit them it will be too late.
    It'd be the second liberal west coast state from which business will be fleeing.
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    Ah you see that's not accurate. You pointed out the grubbynutt solution is so grand. I dare you to fly to Chicago and see how the grubbynutt takes care of its elderly, or how about Detroit? NY? SF for example the beloved bell of the socialist. Seniors there can't afford to live in the city so they just move out - which is what many young people want.

    I just want to say I hope and pray Seattle does go with a $15 minimum wage, and I hope they up the effort to make it happen before $15 is worthless in 2021. That way the nation can see what happens to the middle class elderly - you know the one's - those with an actual retirement account, savings, who worked hard and now have nothing to show for it. They should be quite a voting group in the next decade. I can't wait to see how they reward your socialist dream to make their savings worth - less.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    In other words, I blew away your "the lib'ruls are screwing over the seniors!" point, and you couldn't think of anything in reply other than to post an insult. I guess you couldn't bring yourself to say, "hey, they really are taking care of their seniors".

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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    If it's " driven" by anything other than a Free Market its doomed to failure.

    Like there aren't enough examples of the damage stupid Government policies like this have on State Economies.

    Raising the minimum wage is rhetoric specifically aimed at the low information crowd who's susceptible to these kind of simple minded solutions.
    Of course, of course! That's why ALL the most successful nations on the planet - the first-world democracies - are ALL socialized democracies with minimum wages driven by governments or - in the case of Germany - unions. Yeah, they're ALL doomed to failure, even though we've all had such minimum wages for over half a century!

    Seriously, though...you DO realize you're arguing against successful results, right? You can make all the claims you want, but the RESULTS of the world make it obvious that your reasoning ain't as reasonable as you think it is.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Ah you see that's not accurate. You pointed out the grubbynutt solution is so grand. I dare you to fly to Chicago and see how the grubbynutt takes care of its elderly, or how about Detroit? NY? SF for example the beloved bell of the socialist. Seniors there can't afford to live in the city so they just move out - which is what many young people want.

    I just want to say I hope and pray Seattle does go with a $15 minimum wage, and I hope they up the effort to make it happen before $15 is worthless in 2021. That way the nation can see what happens to the middle class elderly - you know the one's - those with an actual retirement account, savings, who worked hard and now have nothing to show for it. They should be quite a voting group in the next decade. I can't wait to see how they reward your socialist dream to make their savings worth - less.
    So if Chicago, NY, or SF isn't doing it like we're doing it, is that somehow proof that it can't be done? I ask, because we ARE doing it, and successfully.

    And you can hope and pray for our failure all day long, but that's all you've got - hopes and prayers for our failure.

    What you're not getting is that just because we think/see/do things differently from the way you think we should, that does NOT mean that we're somehow doomed to failure. And while we're at it, let me invite you once more to show us all how socialized democracy like that found in ALL first-world democracies is doomed to failure...seeing as how none of the first-world socialized democracies have lost their first-world status in over half a century of being a first-world socialized democracy.
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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Of course, of course! That's why ALL the most successful nations on the planet - the first-world democracies - are ALL socialized democracies with minimum wages driven by governments or - in the case of Germany - unions. Yeah, they're ALL doomed to failure, even though we've all had such minimum wages for over half a century!

    Seriously, though...you DO realize you're arguing against successful results, right? You can make all the claims you want, but the RESULTS of the world make it obvious that your reasoning ain't as reasonable as you think it is.
    LOL !

    Damn, why doesn't Washington do something uselful to actually HELP their economy instead of killing whats left of it ?

    Like what's WE'RE doing in Texas ?

    We're incentivizing growth by making it profitable for Companies to relocate here and its working !

    Ask Torrance California if you don't beleive me.

    We're not targeting the discretionary income of our citizens with stupid tax increases and energy policies that guarantee higher energy cost.

    We're # 45 on the list of States with the Highest Tax burden on it's Citizens and we're building a real surplus.

    Any Bussiness that that even thinks of moving into Washington State knows immediately that their cost on labor is going to be double of what it is in other States.

    LOL !! Good luck with that nonsense.

    You people are just too stubborn to admit your short sighted inept policies kill economies and produce mors poverty and suffering.

    Imagine the simple mindedness that it takes to believe the concept that arbitrarily wage amounts mandated by the Government will increase economic growth.

    Its just unbelievable.

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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Not when you're dealing with over 100K employees. The cost presented in the study was PER EMPLOYEE...and the jobs the employees of both companies are doing are not that different.
    If you don't realize that there is more to pay then just what an employee costs i can't help you. if you want to site a source that compares apples to oranges go head it holds no weight in what we are talking about.




    I'm sorry - I didn't realize that it was your experience that $10/hr is JUST FINE in NY and SF just like it is in backwoods wherever. And I didn't realize that in your world, everybody's single and just taking care of themselves, that there's no single parents out there trying to take care of a child on their own, that there's nobody who hasn't faced the oh-so-hard times you've faced.
    Cherry picking data will not help you either. NY and SF are some of the most highest cost of living places out there yet even at 10 dollars you could make it. you are not going to live in the high end of town or anything but you could still make it.

    again you said 10 dollars and 15 was bad pay you made no mention of family it isn't my fault that you presented an easily countered argument. moving the goal posts is a fallacy.
    you know nothing about me so all you are doing is making supported assumptions. which hurts what little of an argument you have left.

    funny how you have still failed to address any of the points that made in the orginal post.

    you have yet to take into account:

    1. The cost increase due to inflated wages.
    2. The additional cost of inflated salaries. if minimum wage workers get an 8 dollar hike then professions are going to want that and more. you can't raise the bottom line without pushing up everyone else. this to has higher costs as well.

    3. You have yet to factor in jobs LOST due to costs and or cutbacks.
    4. You have yet to factor in people that will no longer be qualified to do these jobs now.
    5. you have yet to factor in lost job oppertunities. IE people that would like to start a business but can't now due to the price of labor.

    so if 15 isn't good enough lets just pay everyone 100k a year then no one is poor everyone can live on that and everyone should be happy.
    ol yea we have things called economic theories that say this is a bad idea it doesn't work and leads to more people unemployed or on part time.

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    Re: Seattle mayor unveils plan for $15 minimum wage

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    how do you expect them to beef up their resume's when they can't get a job to do it because the pay is so high no one can justify it?
    maybe the adult should do something other than minimum wage work there is an idea.
    They beef up their resumes with volunteer opportunities and internships. Seems to work for many.

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