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AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W:54]

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I don't shop at either store, because I don't like to over pay for clothing, and I can grow my own flowers. So the views of those owners didn't matter to me anyways. Them putting up a sticker didn't make me suddenly want an overpriced dress, or a bunch of roses that I could cut from my own garden.

Well, there goes the marketing plan.

Have a good weekend.
 
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Sorry, but Citizens demanding businesses display allegiances, or else, is.

no you obviously do not have single idea what fascism is............
 
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It doesn't, but that doesn't mean that "religious beliefs" will trump FEDERAL anti-discrimination laws. The only one of those NOT covered under FEDERAL laws is sexual orientation. So, go on a refuse service based on "religious beliefs" to blacks or Chinese, or Native Americans, or women, or men, or whites, or christians, or muslims, and you will get smacked down by the Feds because state laws do not trump federal laws. Now, since ALL of those are covered under federal laws, what is left for people to discriminate against in businesses?

again please show me in the law where it mentions gays. if you can't then you are arguing a strawman.
 
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Well, there goes the marketing plan.

Have a good weekend.

You too. Be safe out there.
 
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again please show me in the law where it mentions gays. if you can't then you are arguing a strawman.

It doesn't, but all of the other examples presented are covered under FEDERAL laws, therefore even WITH the state law saying that you can discriminate based on religious beliefs, you could not ban women, Jews, blacks, native Americans, etc because FEDERAL law trumps STATE law. The only other group is gays. So by process of eliminating those groups covered in federal law(race, gender, religion, national origin, disability) what is left that this law can possibly refer to?
 
Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

I don't know, but the sign doesn't say that they discriminate against Christians so why take it that way.... :lol: :lol:

From the article:



How does a business owners decision to sell to ANYONE equate to Christians no longer having the freedom to live out their faith?
 
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I think you need to keep looking... :peace

No I think you need to find a new term to use. If you're angry with the way things are going, that's one thing. But labeling it as fascist is just plain incorrect. Mussolini, Hitler, and Franco were fascist, you know, silencing their opponents with bullets, nooses, and gas chambers? If you really want to equate that with "putting up a sticker" you are realllly weakening the word fascist till it basically covers anything you don't like. Maybe its just because I graduated with a BA in History, but it makes me want to bang my head against a wall when I see people throw around terms willynilly.
 
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Wouldn't it just be simpler to post a sign or place a line in advertising saying "We don't want gay money, we don't want gay business"? But of course few business owners are that damned stupid. Few are actually willing to stand on principle when it means peeing on profit.

You have to wonder how many Mississippi preachers would be railing on against gay people if it meant a serious reduction of contributions to the church.

A sin is a sin. Gluttony is no less sinful than homosexuality as far as the bible is concerned, but you won't find preachers and politicians taking a stand against fat people in Mississippi.

A stand like that would like to a really serious reduction in attendance and contributions at church...same with preaching against birth control
 
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I don't know, but the sign doesn't say that they discriminate against Christians so why take it that way.... :lol: :lol:

Not to mention i know plenty Christians (mostly the young) who are pro gay and think the AFA is acting crazy here
 
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Essentially what it comes down to is Christians that agree with the AFA on this are afraid of taking responsibility for their discrimination against homosexuals.

They want the right to discriminate, but they want to be free of consequences of their discrimination.




That describes lots of people all over this planet.

Some of them like to accuse others of playing the race card.
 
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No I think you need to find a new term to use. If you're angry with the way things are going, that's one thing. But labeling it as fascist is just plain incorrect. Mussolini, Hitler, and Franco were fascist, you know, silencing their opponents with bullets, nooses, and gas chambers? If you really want to equate that with "putting up a sticker" you are realllly weakening the word fascist till it basically covers anything you don't like. Maybe its just because I graduated with a BA in History, but it makes me want to bang my head against a wall when I see people throw around terms willynilly.

Thank you for sharing your qualifications, but they don't change my conclusion, which is quite accurate. I would think with a degree in history, you'd be aware that fascism as a concept is not just about bullets, nooses, and gas chambers. I guess a Poli Sci major might have a better understanding of this fact.

We have entered a period of time when slippery slope is a concept that is ignored. What you're failing to recognize are the actions being taken to remove groups of people who do not "toe the line". This is happening with greater frequency, and via harsher penalties. That is absolutely fascism defined.

Perhaps if you would
 
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Thank you for sharing your qualifications, but they don't change my conclusion, which is quite accurate. I would think with a degree in history, you'd be aware that fascism as a concept is not just about bullets, nooses, and gas chambers. I guess a Poli Sci major might have a better understanding of this fact.

We have entered a period of time when slippery slope is a concept that is ignored. What you're failing to recognize are the actions being taken to remove groups of people who do not "toe the line". This is happening with greater frequency, and via harsher penalties. That is absolutely fascism defined.

Perhaps if you would


Please inform us ignorant folks as to what you see as "actions being taken to remove groups of people".

Online definition of "fascism"
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy

(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

How does a little sticker in the window of a store or coffeeshop equate with "totalitarianism" in your view?

Benito Mussolini's Three Precepts of Fascism:
  1. "Everything in the state"
  2. "Nothing outside the state"
  3. "Nothing against the state"
 
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Please inform us ignorant folks as to what you see as "actions being taken to remove groups of people".

Online definition of "fascism"

How does a little sticker in the window of a store or coffeeshop equate with "totalitarianism" in your view?

Benito Mussolini's Three Precepts of Fascism:
  1. "Everything in the state"
  2. "Nothing outside the state"
  3. "Nothing against the state"

It's quite evident. If you chose to reject the obvious, I can't help you, and won't waste my time trying.

Thanks for asking though.
 
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Please inform us ignorant folks as to what you see as "actions being taken to remove groups of people".

Online definition of "fascism"

How does a little sticker in the window of a store or coffeeshop equate with "totalitarianism" in your view?

Benito Mussolini's Three Precepts of Fascism:
  1. "Everything in the state"
  2. "Nothing outside the state"
  3. "Nothing against the state"

I asked a simple question which seems to be unanswerable, I wonder why.

It's quite evident. If you chose to reject the obvious, I can't help you, and won't waste my time trying.

Thanks for asking though.

Using the standard definition, I realise not every person cares to use commonly accepted understandings, but nevertheless - the Legislature of the State of Mississippi with the endorsement of the Governor would be acting in a "fascistic" manner when it endorses the idea of religiously based bias.

For some reason, I think a shop owner saying that they will accept your money to buy the products offered, is the exact opposite of exclusion or discrimination.
 
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I asked a simple question which seems to be unanswerable, I wonder why.



Using the standard definition, I realise not every person cares to use commonly accepted understandings, but nevertheless - the Legislature of the State of Mississippi with the endorsement of the Governor would be acting in a "fascistic" manner when it endorses the idea of religiously based bias.

For some reason, I think a shop owner saying that they will accept your money to buy the products offered, is the exact opposite of exclusion or discrimination.

The question is very answerable, I'm just not interested in providing it to you. I know how you dance.

As to the shop owners, they have every right to display a sticker, or not. The fascism comes in when people demand they do so, or suffer the consequences.

Is this a really big issue in this case? Probably not, but that was not my point.

As to definitions, trying to redefine the word to avoid being associated with it will never work. It is what it is.
 
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The question is very answerable, I'm just not interested in providing it to you. I know how you dance.

As to the shop owners, they have every right to display a sticker, or not. The fascism comes in when people demand they do so, or suffer the consequences.

Is this a really big issue in this case? Probably not, but that was not my point.

As to definitions, trying to redefine the word to avoid being associated with it will never work. It is what it is.

Why are some questions so hard to answer for some people?

Without an understanding of just how an opponent sees the meanings of various words and phrases, no debate is possible.

I would strongly disagree with your contention that your definition for "fascism" is the generally accepted one.
 
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Why are some questions so hard to answer for some people?

Without an understanding of just how an opponent sees the meanings of various words and phrases, no debate is possible.

I would strongly disagree with your contention that your definition for "fascism" is the generally accepted one.

I couldn't possibly guess why some questions are so hard to answer for some people. I'm not one of those people.

As to your disagreement, I understand why someone who self identifies as a socialist would want to establish some type of new standard for the definition of a word most people find objectionable. That doesn't change anything.
 
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I couldn't possibly guess why some questions are so hard to answer for some people. I'm not one of those people.

As to your disagreement, I understand why someone who self identifies as a socialist would want to establish some type of new standard for the definition of a word most people find objectionable. That doesn't change anything.

Funny, but I'm not the one who is trying "to establish some type of new standard for the definition of a word". I'm the one who is using the standard commonly accepted definitions so it seems a bit strange that I could be accused of attempting to redefine the word 'fascism"
 
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Funny, but I'm not the one who is trying "to establish some type of new standard for the definition of a word". I'm the one who is using the standard commonly accepted definitions so it seems a bit strange that I could be accused of attempting to redefine the word 'fascism"

Perhaps what you believe is a standard among those you affiliate with, but that doesn't change the facts.
 
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Perhaps what you believe is a standard among those you affiliate with, but that doesn't change the facts.

Apparently our definitions of fact do not agree.

My definitions of "fascism" may be found in any dictionary you care to peruse. Where do you get your definitions?
 
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Apparently our definitions of fact do not agree.

My definitions of "fascism" may be found in any dictionary you care to peruse. Where do you get your definitions?

From any dictionary you care to peruse. Perhaps you should read a bit further.
 
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From any dictionary you care to peruse. Perhaps you should read a bit further.

Fascism - Merriam Webster
1
a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

fas·cism [fash-iz-uhm] Dictionary.com
noun
1.
( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2.
( sometimes initial capital letter ) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3.
( initial capital letter ) a political movement that employs the principles and methods of fascism, especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.

Mussolini's definition (in part) from the Italian Encyclopedia (1932)
Fascism is the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....

After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage....

Benito Mussolini, 1935, Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions, Rome:
The corporate State considers that private enterprise in the sphere of production is the most effective and usefu [sic] [typo-should be: useful] instrument in the interest of the nation. In view of the fact that private organisation of production is a function of national concern, the organiser of the enterprise is responsible to the State for the direction given to production.

State intervention in economic production arises only when private initiative is lacking or insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. This intervention may take the form of control, assistance or direct management. (pp. 135-136)

Oxford Dictionary (American English) Online
Fascism
An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

I would say there is some agreement between these definitions. Now if I go to one of the libertarian websites, I might find something a bit different or maybe not.

From the Mises Institute
First let us state our definition of fascism. It is, put briefly, a system of social organization in which the political state is a dictatorship supported by a political elite and in which the economic society is an autarchic capitalism, enclosed and planned, in which the government assumes responsibility for creating adequate purchasing power through the instrumentality of national debt and in which militarism is adopted as a great economic project for creating work as well as a great romantic project in the service of the imperialist state.

Anyone who visits the Mises page I have linked to will immediately see a rather interesting graphic - no hints from me, you gotta see it for yourself

In the middle of the article is a comment that has been stated elsewhere as "When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and waving a cross."
But when fascism comes it will not be in the form of an anti-American movement or pro-Hitler bund, practicing disloyalty. Nor will it come in the form of a crusade against war. It will appear rather in the luminous robes of flaming patriotism; it will take some genuinely indigenous shape and color, and it will spread only because its leaders, who are not yet visible, will know how to locate the great springs of public opinion and desire and the streams of thought that flow from them and will know how to attract to their banners leaders who can command the support of the controlling minorities in American public life. The danger lies not so much in the would-be führers who may arise, but in the presence in our midst of certain deeply running currents of hope and appetite and opinion. The war upon fascism must be begun there.

buried deep in an article from the Cato Institute is the following
Authoritarians such as Putin and Chavez’s successor Nicolas Maduro also like to denounce their opponents as “fascists,” even though they themselves fit most of the textbook definition of fascism – nationalism, anti-liberalism, a charismatic leader as the embodiment of the nation, and an economy controlled indirectly by the state, typically through nominally private owners.
 
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