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AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W:54]

No business is being required to "pledge allegiance" to anything. The stickers are being distributed by private organization and a business is free to put one in their window or not.


I think it's pretty hypocritical, in terms of "the big picture", though of the AFA to call for boycotts of American companies potentially reducing their sales and causing American's to lose their jobs and then refer to a sticker in the window voluntary sticker in a window proclaiming that all will be served equally as "bullying".


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As I wrote, it's funny how the big picture is so frequently ignored.

As to boycotts, they are a common tool of the left, so I'm not sure what the complaint is.

As to what the AFA is whining about, I don't really care.
 
The argument that's presented is indeed a slippery slope, but dangerous as well in that it, typically of the American socialist, ignores much of the issue.

It is not a matter of a business staying current, nor an identified niche market, but whether those businesses will be allowed unfettered access to that market? Let us say I form a PAC that is dead set against the color red, and we enact an internal bylaw that says we can create picket lines around any store selling anything red.

In this case, it is a gang of deluded bigots hiding behind a God who would have nothing to do with them, determining what a store can and can't do. If I want to run a bakery for only gay Chinese people with one leg shorter than the other who have killed a whale, I should be free to do so, and either score big or lose everything. If I want to create a business that sells to everyone but gay Chinese people with one leg shorter than the other who have killed a whale I should also be able to do so.

Perhaps a store in this town with a sign that read "We reserve the right not to sell to bigots" might wake them up. I would love to cover that lawsuit.

Head of nail meet hammer.

If store owners want to be idiots, let the consumer be the judge of it's future.

However, demanding a pledge of allegiance? A very, very dangerous solution to a problem that would take care of itself.
 
As I wrote, it's funny how the big picture is so frequently ignored.

As to boycotts, they are a common tool of the left, so I'm not sure what the complaint is.

As to what the AFA is whining about, I don't really care.


Boycotts are also a common tool of the right. I'm not the one complaining about boycotts.


I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of an organization that has called for many, many boycotts in it's day in an attempt to damage businesses and put American's out of jobs and then they complain when sticker appears stating that all customers will be serviced equally and call that "bullying".



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I think thought police shouldn't be successful and controlling commerce, and shouldn't be encouraged to think they can.

That's what I think.

And in the real world, both business owners and customers are showing their displeasure with the new laws enacted in MS that allow discrimination based on "religious belief".
Also in the real world, people use a large variety of reason in determining where to spend their money, discrimination or lack thereof is just one of those reasons.
 
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However, demanding a pledge of allegiance? A very, very dangerous solution to a problem that would take care of itself.


Quit with the hyperbolic statements, no one is "demanding a pledge of allegiance". Businesses are free to display a sticker stating they choose to serve all equally - or not, the choice is solely theirs.



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Boycotts are also a common tool of the right. I'm not the one complaining about boycotts.


I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of an organization that has called for many, many boycotts in it's day in an attempt to damage businesses and put American's out of jobs and then they complain when sticker appears stating that all customers will be serviced equally and call that "bullying".



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Link?
 
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Boycotts are also a common tool of the right. I'm not the one complaining about boycotts.


I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of an organization that has called for many, many boycotts in it's day in an attempt to damage businesses and put American's out of jobs and then they complain when sticker appears stating that all customers will be serviced equally and call that "bullying".



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My point has been on the issue of stickers, not on what the AFA is claiming.

I don't know how to be clearer.
 
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Head of nail meet hammer.

If store owners want to be idiots, let the consumer be the judge of it's future.

However, demanding a pledge of allegiance? A very, very dangerous solution to a problem that would take care of itself.



yeah, that pledge business was very effective for Hitler's Nazi's, Stalin's reds, and every penny ante dictator that has ever come down the pipe.

We pledge to dismantle the US Constitution in order to form a society of morally pure people, enforcing that moral code of conduct, that not all men have a right to the pursuit of happiness, just people who agree with us.

Look at history and note how often that has worked.
 
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Head of nail meet hammer.

If store owners want to be idiots, let the consumer be the judge of it's future.

However, demanding a pledge of allegiance? A very, very dangerous solution to a problem that would take care of itself.

No one is demanding anything. Businesses are CHOOSING to put a sticker in their window. The vast majority of the stores in MS do not have a sticker in their window. Only 2 stores in my area do. If I were to only shop at stores with a sticker, I could have flowers, and boutique clothing. No food, no gas, no hardware, etc.

You are making this a much bigger deal than it is, just like the AFA.
 
Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

And in the real world, both business owners and customers are showing their displeasure with the new laws enacted in MS that allow discrimination based on "religious belief".
Also in the real world, people use a large variety of reason in determining where to spend their money, discrimination or lack thereof is just one of those reasons.

The key is owners and CUSTOMERS.

I don't know what you picture the real world to be, but in the real world that got us to this point in time, it wasn't a requirement to post a sign to prove you don't discriminate against other people.

What if a bunch of activists decide to go around and protest any business not displaying the appropriate "support" labels. You ok with that?
 
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It just occurs to me that if some business didn't know about the little sign deal, and therefore didn't post a sign, customers may mistakenly believe they harbor some anti-gay sentiment.

We've entered a period in society where fascism needs to be pushed back against. In fact, I think we've gone quite a bit past the "entered a period" stage.

I personally can't imagine not accepting anyone's business, but I don't think I should have to prove it with a sign.

To me, it seems the concept of slippery slope has never been taught. History has provided overwhelming evidence that the concept is real, and destructive.


How does fascism enter into this?
fascism:
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

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Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

The key is owners and CUSTOMERS.

I don't know what you picture the real world to be, but in the real world that got us to this point in time, it wasn't a requirement to post a sign to prove you don't discriminate against other people.

What if a bunch of activists decide to go around and protest any business not displaying the appropriate "support" labels. You ok with that?

It isn't a requirement to put up a sticker now. It is a choice. Maybe you should look up the meaning of the word requirement.

If any group protests anything, that is their right as American citizens. All kinds of groups protest all kinds of things, some I agree with others I don't, but they all have the same right to do so.
 
Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

The key is owners and CUSTOMERS.

I don't know what you picture the real world to be, but in the real world that got us to this point in time, it wasn't a requirement to post a sign to prove you don't discriminate against other people.

What if a bunch of activists decide to go around and protest any business not displaying the appropriate "support" labels. You ok with that?

What if a bunch of activists decide to go around and protest any business displaying the "If you are Buying, We are Selling" labels. You ok with that? Oh - the AFA is already doing that. How strange, and they are such a good group of Christians too.
 
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So a business could be deemed unable to cater to the needs of a customer unless they succumb to pressure requiring them to physically signify support for a specific issue or cause?

A customer is free to deem a business unable to meet their needs for any reason, or no reason at all, that they choose.

Ain't freedom a bitch?
 
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Quit with the hyperbolic statements, no one is "demanding a pledge of allegiance". Businesses are free to display a sticker stating they choose to serve all equally - or not, the choice is solely theirs.



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No, I don't think I will stop making what I believe to be is a legitimate point.

Obviously businesses are free to display the stickers if they chose. Of course, right or wrong, it could mean the end of their business if they chose not to, since they could be wrongly judged.

Interesting this possibility appears to be lost on so many.
 
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Head of nail meet hammer.

If store owners want to be idiots, let the consumer be the judge of it's future.

However, demanding a pledge of allegiance? A very, very dangerous solution to a problem that would take care of itself.

No business is being required to put up any signs about who they will or will not serve. However, it is perfectly OK now in Mississippi to put up a sign that says "No gays." Why is a sign that says "We do serve gays" different?
 
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No, I don't think I will stop making what I believe to be is a legitimate point.

Obviously businesses are free to display the stickers if they chose. Of course, right or wrong, it could mean the end of their business if they chose not to, since they could be wrongly judged.

Interesting this possibility appears to be lost on so many.

Because businesses going under for making the wrong choices is fascism :roll:
 
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A customer is free to deem a business unable to meet their needs for any reason, or no reason at all, that they choose.

Ain't freedom a bitch?

Well, yes, the first point has never been in dispute.

The bitch is when membership requires a talisman be displayed, or else harm could come their way.
 
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No business is being required to put up any signs about who they will or will not serve. However, it is perfectly OK now in Mississippi to put up a sign that says "No gays." Why is a sign that says "We do serve gays" different?

I think it's kind of a good idea when discussing an issue to accurately present the facts.

From what I've seen, the stickers don't have "We do serve gays" printed on them.
 
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How does fascism enter into this?
fascism:
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

I think you need to keep looking... :peace
 
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It isn't a requirement to put up a sticker now. It is a choice. Maybe you should look up the meaning of the word requirement.

If any group protests anything, that is their right as American citizens. All kinds of groups protest all kinds of things, some I agree with others I don't, but they all have the same right to do so.

I've never suggested anyone should be kept from protesting.

Thanks for you opinion.
 
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What if a bunch of activists decide to go around and protest any business not displaying the appropriate "support" labels. You ok with that?


I would 100% support the right of Free Speech. How about you do you support Free Speech?


What if a bunch of activists decide to go around and protest a bridle gown shop for selling dresses to a couple of lesbians getting married. You ok with that?


I would 100% support the right of Free Speech. How about you do you support Free Speech?



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Well, yes, the first point has never been in dispute.

The bitch is when membership requires a talisman be displayed, or else harm could come their way.

Yeah, I now what you mean

We had a tattoo parlor run by a guy who wore sweater vests and bow ties close down last year.
 
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