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    re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W:54]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The AFA has been listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center since 2010. AFA's pronouncements should be taken accordingly.
    Risky...this story reminds me of my grandfather. I was raised by my mother's parents (long story - well sort of).

    When I was a kid, my grandfather found out that black families might possibly be looking at homes to purchase in our neighborhood.

    So being the good racist that he was, he organized a neighborhood meeting to WARN folks about what might happen to all by selling homes to black families. He ranted on about how selling to blacks would destroy the value of homes and impose hardships of selling any homes in the area - if just one black family made their way into the neighborhood.

    Then he gets really creative in his paranoia. He starts calling neighbors who have "For Sell" signs up...and in "his black dialect voice"...makes inquiry about buying the home. If that neighbor invited him to look at the house....he went nuts. He'd then call back the person who invited him...and let them know how they were betraying their neighbors...and I think he even threatened some people. Then he would put notes on the front porches of everybody within a couple of blocks, which he intended to name WHO BETRAYED the neighborhood.

    I think that my grandmother would have shot him if she could have gotten away with it.

    Aside from the KKK or the like (something like StormFront) one would hope that there aren't an entire organization doing what my grandfather did... but apparently there are many. AFA is one obviously one of those organizations.

    Oh, brother...

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    re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W:54]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    No one is tattooing any business. The businesses are CHOOSING to inform their customers that they do not discriminate.
    I think we are kind of pummeling this into oblivion.

    So some final thoughts.

    What exactly are they proclaiming with their declaration? That they don't discriminate? Against whom? Women? Blacks? Mexicans? Jews? Gays?

    If every business in a strip mall has the proclamation, except one. What could that suggest about the one?

    I don't know how else to explain the issue as I see it.

    On the plus side, at least there have apparently been only 500 of these declaration stickers distributed. I hope the business community lets these things fade away as they should.

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    re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W:54]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Again, the only point I raise is this "not required" issue. If the majority of the businesses feel pressured to put these stickers up, what of those who don't know, or just frankly don't want to put stickers up? How will they be perceived?
    What of them?

    Nobody is doing anything to deliberately disadvantage those businesses.

    If they aren't keeping their finger on the pulse of the market then they're really not great businesses and, frankly, deserve what they get.

    If a business owner is still selling Chams shirts, Capezios, and parachute pants in 2014 "just because he wants to" or because he doesn't know that those things went out of fashion some time around 1986, whose fault is that?

    It isn't society's responsibility to cater to business, it's business' responsibility to cater to the customer.

    Doesn't matter whether we're talking about selling free range poultry, or supporting veterans, or putting a sticker in your window.
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    re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W:54]

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    What of them?

    Nobody is doing anything to deliberately disadvantage those businesses.

    If they aren't keeping their finger on the pulse of the market then they're really not great businesses and, frankly, deserve what they get.

    If a business owner is still selling Chams shirts, Capezios, and parachute pants in 2014 "just because he wants to" or because he doesn't know that those things went out of fashion some time around 1986, whose fault is that?

    It isn't society's responsibility to cater to business, it's business' responsibility to cater to the customer.

    Doesn't matter whether we're talking about selling free range poultry, or supporting veterans, or putting a sticker in your window.
    Hmmm.

    Again, the concept of slippery slope seems to have been effectively removed from a number of people.

    So a business could be deemed unable to cater to the needs of a customer unless they succumb to pressure requiring them to physically signify support for a specific issue or cause?

    The cliff at the end of the slope is closer than some think.

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    re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W:54]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Hmmm.

    Again, the concept of slippery slope seems to have been effectively removed from a number of people.

    So a business could be deemed unable to cater to the needs of a customer unless they succumb to pressure requiring them to physically signify support for a specific issue or cause?

    The cliff at the end of the slope is closer than some think.

    So now the free-market is supposed to be a bad thing, one where consumers make the choice of the business from which they want to purchase goods and services?

    Seems to me I remember when "free-market" was supported, especially when the AFA called for boycotts for companies that they deemed "gay friendly", such as:

    7-Eleven,
    Abercrombie & Fitch,
    American Airlines,
    American Girl,
    Blockbuster Video,
    Burger King,
    Calvin Klein,
    Carl's Jr.,
    Clorox,
    Comcast,
    Crest,
    Ford,
    Hallmark Cards,
    Hardee's,
    Kmart,
    Kraft Foods,
    S. C. Johnson & Son,
    Movie Gallery,
    Microsoft,
    MTV,
    Paramount Pictures,
    Time Warner,
    Universal Studios,
    DreamWorks,
    Mary Kay,
    NutriSystem,
    Old Navy,
    IKEA,
    Sears,
    Pampers,
    Procter & Gamble,
    Target,
    Tide,
    Walt Disney Company,
    and PepsiCo.



    Funny how the opinion of free-market changes.

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    re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W:54]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I think we are kind of pummeling this into oblivion.

    So some final thoughts.

    What exactly are they proclaiming with their declaration? That they don't discriminate? Against whom? Women? Blacks? Mexicans? Jews? Gays?

    If every business in a strip mall has the proclamation, except one. What could that suggest about the one?

    I don't know how else to explain the issue as I see it.

    On the plus side, at least there have apparently been only 500 of these declaration stickers distributed. I hope the business community lets these things fade away as they should.
    They are declaring that if your money is green, they will serve you. Period.

    If one mall decides not to have the sticker, then they decide not to have a sticker. Some people will choose not to shop there, some people will choose to shop there, some people won't care either way.

    What do you think should happen? Businesses choose to put a sticker on their door, should they be banned from putting a sticker on their door?
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    re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W:54]

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    So now the free-market is supposed to be a bad thing, one where consumers make the choice of the business from which they want to purchase goods and services?

    Seems to me I remember when "free-market" was supported, especially when the AFA called for boycotts for companies that they deemed "gay friendly", such as:

    7-Eleven,
    Abercrombie & Fitch,
    American Airlines,
    American Girl,
    Blockbuster Video,
    Burger King,
    Calvin Klein,
    Carl's Jr.,
    Clorox,
    Comcast,
    Crest,
    Ford,
    Hallmark Cards,
    Hardee's,
    Kmart,
    Kraft Foods,
    S. C. Johnson & Son,
    Movie Gallery,
    Microsoft,
    MTV,
    Paramount Pictures,
    Time Warner,
    Universal Studios,
    DreamWorks,
    Mary Kay,
    NutriSystem,
    Old Navy,
    IKEA,
    Sears,
    Pampers,
    Procter & Gamble,
    Target,
    Tide,
    Walt Disney Company,
    and PepsiCo.



    Funny how the opinion of free-market changes.

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    Funny how the big picture is so frequently ignored.

    People should tell the AFA to pound sand. Seems to me they did.

    On the other hand, business shouldn't be required to pledge allegiance.

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    re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W:54]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    They are declaring that if your money is green, they will serve you. Period.

    If one mall decides not to have the sticker, then they decide not to have a sticker. Some people will choose not to shop there, some people will choose to shop there, some people won't care either way.

    What do you think should happen? Businesses choose to put a sticker on their door, should they be banned from putting a sticker on their door?
    I think thought police shouldn't be successful and controlling commerce, and shouldn't be encouraged to think they can.

    That's what I think.

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    re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W:54]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Funny how the big picture is so frequently ignored.

    People should tell the AFA to pound sand. Seems to me they did.

    On the other hand, business shouldn't be required to pledge allegiance.

    No business is being required to "pledge allegiance" to anything. The stickers are being distributed by private organization and a business is free to put one in their window or not.


    I think it's pretty hypocritical, in terms of "the big picture", though of the AFA to call for boycotts of American companies potentially reducing their sales and causing American's to lose their jobs and then refer to a sticker in the window voluntary sticker in a window proclaiming that all will be served equally as "bullying".


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    re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W:54]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Hmmm.

    Again, the concept of slippery slope seems to have been effectively removed from a number of people.

    So a business could be deemed unable to cater to the needs of a customer unless they succumb to pressure requiring them to physically signify support for a specific issue or cause?

    The cliff at the end of the slope is closer than some think.
    The argument that's presented is indeed a slippery slope, but dangerous as well in that it, typically of the American socialist, ignores much of the issue.

    It is not a matter of a business staying current, nor an identified niche market, but whether those businesses will be allowed unfettered access to that market? Let us say I form a PAC that is dead set against the color red, and we enact an internal bylaw that says we can create picket lines around any store selling anything red.

    In this case, it is a gang of deluded bigots hiding behind a God who would have nothing to do with them, determining what a store can and can't do. If I want to run a bakery for only gay Chinese people with one leg shorter than the other who have killed a whale, I should be free to do so, and either score big or lose everything. If I want to create a business that sells to everyone but gay Chinese people with one leg shorter than the other who have killed a whale I should also be able to do so.

    Perhaps a store in this town with a sign that read "We reserve the right not to sell to bigots" might wake them up. I would love to cover that lawsuit.
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