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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I couldn't possibly guess why some questions are so hard to answer for some people. I'm not one of those people.

    As to your disagreement, I understand why someone who self identifies as a socialist would want to establish some type of new standard for the definition of a word most people find objectionable. That doesn't change anything.
    Funny, but I'm not the one who is trying "to establish some type of new standard for the definition of a word". I'm the one who is using the standard commonly accepted definitions so it seems a bit strange that I could be accused of attempting to redefine the word 'fascism"
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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Funny, but I'm not the one who is trying "to establish some type of new standard for the definition of a word". I'm the one who is using the standard commonly accepted definitions so it seems a bit strange that I could be accused of attempting to redefine the word 'fascism"
    Perhaps what you believe is a standard among those you affiliate with, but that doesn't change the facts.

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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Perhaps what you believe is a standard among those you affiliate with, but that doesn't change the facts.
    Apparently our definitions of fact do not agree.

    My definitions of "fascism" may be found in any dictionary you care to peruse. Where do you get your definitions?
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    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Apparently our definitions of fact do not agree.

    My definitions of "fascism" may be found in any dictionary you care to peruse. Where do you get your definitions?
    From any dictionary you care to peruse. Perhaps you should read a bit further.

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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    From any dictionary you care to peruse. Perhaps you should read a bit further.
    Fascism - Merriam Webster
    1
    a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    2
    : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
    fas·cism [fash-iz-uhm] Dictionary.com
    noun
    1.
    ( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
    2.
    ( sometimes initial capital letter ) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
    3.
    ( initial capital letter ) a political movement that employs the principles and methods of fascism, especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.
    Mussolini's definition (in part) from the Italian Encyclopedia (1932)
    Fascism is the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....

    After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage....
    Benito Mussolini, 1935, Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions, Rome:
    The corporate State considers that private enterprise in the sphere of production is the most effective and usefu [sic] [typo-should be: useful] instrument in the interest of the nation. In view of the fact that private organisation of production is a function of national concern, the organiser of the enterprise is responsible to the State for the direction given to production.

    State intervention in economic production arises only when private initiative is lacking or insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. This intervention may take the form of control, assistance or direct management. (pp. 135-136)
    Oxford Dictionary (American English) Online
    Fascism
    An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
    I would say there is some agreement between these definitions. Now if I go to one of the libertarian websites, I might find something a bit different or maybe not.

    From the Mises Institute
    First let us state our definition of fascism. It is, put briefly, a system of social organization in which the political state is a dictatorship supported by a political elite and in which the economic society is an autarchic capitalism, enclosed and planned, in which the government assumes responsibility for creating adequate purchasing power through the instrumentality of national debt and in which militarism is adopted as a great economic project for creating work as well as a great romantic project in the service of the imperialist state.
    Anyone who visits the Mises page I have linked to will immediately see a rather interesting graphic - no hints from me, you gotta see it for yourself

    In the middle of the article is a comment that has been stated elsewhere as "When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and waving a cross."
    But when fascism comes it will not be in the form of an anti-American movement or pro-Hitler bund, practicing disloyalty. Nor will it come in the form of a crusade against war. It will appear rather in the luminous robes of flaming patriotism; it will take some genuinely indigenous shape and color, and it will spread only because its leaders, who are not yet visible, will know how to locate the great springs of public opinion and desire and the streams of thought that flow from them and will know how to attract to their banners leaders who can command the support of the controlling minorities in American public life. The danger lies not so much in the would-be führers who may arise, but in the presence in our midst of certain deeply running currents of hope and appetite and opinion. The war upon fascism must be begun there.
    buried deep in an article from the Cato Institute is the following
    Authoritarians such as Putin and Chavez’s successor Nicolas Maduro also like to denounce their opponents as “fascists,” even though they themselves fit most of the textbook definition of fascism – nationalism, anti-liberalism, a charismatic leader as the embodiment of the nation, and an economy controlled indirectly by the state, typically through nominally private owners.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Mussolini's definition (in part) from the Italian Encyclopedia (1932)


    Benito Mussolini, 1935, Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions, Rome:


    Oxford Dictionary (American English) Online


    I would say there is some agreement between these definitions. Now if I go to one of the libertarian websites, I might find something a bit different or maybe not.

    From the Mises Institute


    Anyone who visits the Mises page I have linked to will immediately see a rather interesting graphic - no hints from me, you gotta see it for yourself

    In the middle of the article is a comment that has been stated elsewhere as "When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and waving a cross."


    buried deep in an article from the Cato Institute is the following
    Gee whiz, you really are desperate to deny the truth

    For example:

    Webster, #2.

    2
    : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

    in other words,

    "Think and do as you are told, or else"

    Put up the sticker, or suffer the consequences. Same concept.

    Case closed.

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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    and yet another thread ends in a tedious pissing contest.
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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and yet another thread ends in a tedious pissing contest.
    Only because of someone's slippery cliff from voluntary use of a sticker to fascism.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    From the article:



    How does a business owners decision to sell to ANYONE equate to Christians no longer having the freedom to live out their faith?
    It doesn't, but fundamentalist Christians have always had a strong martyr complex. This feeds into their beliefs that the world is out to get them.
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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    The whole "Religious Persecution Complex" stupidity is doing more damage to Christianity than Atheism, Science, Islam, and Paganism combined.

    The devout should tell these folks to go to hell.....like they do me.

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