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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Wouldn't it just be simpler to post a sign or place a line in advertising saying "We don't want gay money, we don't want gay business"? But of course few business owners are that damned stupid. Few are actually willing to stand on principle when it means peeing on profit.

    You have to wonder how many Mississippi preachers would be railing on against gay people if it meant a serious reduction of contributions to the church.

    A sin is a sin. Gluttony is no less sinful than homosexuality as far as the bible is concerned, but you won't find preachers and politicians taking a stand against fat people in Mississippi.
    A stand like that would like to a really serious reduction in attendance and contributions at church...same with preaching against birth control

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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I don't know, but the sign doesn't say that they discriminate against Christians so why take it that way....
    Not to mention i know plenty Christians (mostly the young) who are pro gay and think the AFA is acting crazy here

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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Essentially what it comes down to is Christians that agree with the AFA on this are afraid of taking responsibility for their discrimination against homosexuals.

    They want the right to discriminate, but they want to be free of consequences of their discrimination.



    That describes lots of people all over this planet.

    Some of them like to accuse others of playing the race card.

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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean.McDonnell View Post
    No I think you need to find a new term to use. If you're angry with the way things are going, that's one thing. But labeling it as fascist is just plain incorrect. Mussolini, Hitler, and Franco were fascist, you know, silencing their opponents with bullets, nooses, and gas chambers? If you really want to equate that with "putting up a sticker" you are realllly weakening the word fascist till it basically covers anything you don't like. Maybe its just because I graduated with a BA in History, but it makes me want to bang my head against a wall when I see people throw around terms willynilly.
    Thank you for sharing your qualifications, but they don't change my conclusion, which is quite accurate. I would think with a degree in history, you'd be aware that fascism as a concept is not just about bullets, nooses, and gas chambers. I guess a Poli Sci major might have a better understanding of this fact.

    We have entered a period of time when slippery slope is a concept that is ignored. What you're failing to recognize are the actions being taken to remove groups of people who do not "toe the line". This is happening with greater frequency, and via harsher penalties. That is absolutely fascism defined.

    Perhaps if you would

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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Thank you for sharing your qualifications, but they don't change my conclusion, which is quite accurate. I would think with a degree in history, you'd be aware that fascism as a concept is not just about bullets, nooses, and gas chambers. I guess a Poli Sci major might have a better understanding of this fact.

    We have entered a period of time when slippery slope is a concept that is ignored. What you're failing to recognize are the actions being taken to remove groups of people who do not "toe the line". This is happening with greater frequency, and via harsher penalties. That is absolutely fascism defined.

    Perhaps if you would

    Please inform us ignorant folks as to what you see as "actions being taken to remove groups of people".

    Online definition of "fascism"
    noun
    an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
    synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy

    (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
    How does a little sticker in the window of a store or coffeeshop equate with "totalitarianism" in your view?

    Benito Mussolini's Three Precepts of Fascism:
    1. "Everything in the state"
    2. "Nothing outside the state"
    3. "Nothing against the state"
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Please inform us ignorant folks as to what you see as "actions being taken to remove groups of people".

    Online definition of "fascism"

    How does a little sticker in the window of a store or coffeeshop equate with "totalitarianism" in your view?

    Benito Mussolini's Three Precepts of Fascism:
    1. "Everything in the state"
    2. "Nothing outside the state"
    3. "Nothing against the state"
    It's quite evident. If you chose to reject the obvious, I can't help you, and won't waste my time trying.

    Thanks for asking though.

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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Please inform us ignorant folks as to what you see as "actions being taken to remove groups of people".

    Online definition of "fascism"

    How does a little sticker in the window of a store or coffeeshop equate with "totalitarianism" in your view?

    Benito Mussolini's Three Precepts of Fascism:
    1. "Everything in the state"
    2. "Nothing outside the state"
    3. "Nothing against the state"
    I asked a simple question which seems to be unanswerable, I wonder why.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    It's quite evident. If you chose to reject the obvious, I can't help you, and won't waste my time trying.

    Thanks for asking though.
    Using the standard definition, I realise not every person cares to use commonly accepted understandings, but nevertheless - the Legislature of the State of Mississippi with the endorsement of the Governor would be acting in a "fascistic" manner when it endorses the idea of religiously based bias.

    For some reason, I think a shop owner saying that they will accept your money to buy the products offered, is the exact opposite of exclusion or discrimination.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I asked a simple question which seems to be unanswerable, I wonder why.



    Using the standard definition, I realise not every person cares to use commonly accepted understandings, but nevertheless - the Legislature of the State of Mississippi with the endorsement of the Governor would be acting in a "fascistic" manner when it endorses the idea of religiously based bias.

    For some reason, I think a shop owner saying that they will accept your money to buy the products offered, is the exact opposite of exclusion or discrimination.
    The question is very answerable, I'm just not interested in providing it to you. I know how you dance.

    As to the shop owners, they have every right to display a sticker, or not. The fascism comes in when people demand they do so, or suffer the consequences.

    Is this a really big issue in this case? Probably not, but that was not my point.

    As to definitions, trying to redefine the word to avoid being associated with it will never work. It is what it is.

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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The question is very answerable, I'm just not interested in providing it to you. I know how you dance.

    As to the shop owners, they have every right to display a sticker, or not. The fascism comes in when people demand they do so, or suffer the consequences.

    Is this a really big issue in this case? Probably not, but that was not my point.

    As to definitions, trying to redefine the word to avoid being associated with it will never work. It is what it is.
    Why are some questions so hard to answer for some people?

    Without an understanding of just how an opponent sees the meanings of various words and phrases, no debate is possible.

    I would strongly disagree with your contention that your definition for "fascism" is the generally accepted one.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: AFA: Shops who display ‘We Don’t Discriminate’ stickers are bullying Christians[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Why are some questions so hard to answer for some people?

    Without an understanding of just how an opponent sees the meanings of various words and phrases, no debate is possible.

    I would strongly disagree with your contention that your definition for "fascism" is the generally accepted one.
    I couldn't possibly guess why some questions are so hard to answer for some people. I'm not one of those people.

    As to your disagreement, I understand why someone who self identifies as a socialist would want to establish some type of new standard for the definition of a word most people find objectionable. That doesn't change anything.

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