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    Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Hopefully this law maker is successful.

    Bundy aftermath: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says 'They're not paramilitary units' - Washington Times
    Rep. Chris Stewart of Utah, concerned about the armed agents that surrounded Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s property, is mulling a measure to cut funding for any “paramilitary units” that work for the Bureau of Land Management, the Internal Revenue Service and other federal regulatory agencies.
    “There are lots of people who are really concerned when the BLM shows up with its own SWAT team,” he said, the Salt Lake Tribune reported. “They’re regulatory agencies. They’re not paramilitary units, and I think that concerns a lot of us.”

    His mulled amendment to an appropriations bill comes in context of recent BLM actions against Mr. Bundy: The federal agents armed themselves and surrounded his property, tasered his son, closed down road access to the ranch and even shot a couple of his prize bulls. The reasons? Mr. Bundy hadn’t paid his grazing fees to the federal government, but rather fought the matter in court.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Hopefully this law maker is successful.

    Bundy aftermath: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says 'They're not paramilitary units' - Washington Times
    Rep. Chris Stewart of Utah, concerned about the armed agents that surrounded Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s property, is mulling a measure to cut funding for any “paramilitary units” that work for the Bureau of Land Management, the Internal Revenue Service and other federal regulatory agencies.
    “There are lots of people who are really concerned when the BLM shows up with its own SWAT team,” he said, the Salt Lake Tribune reported. “They’re regulatory agencies. They’re not paramilitary units, and I think that concerns a lot of us.”

    His mulled amendment to an appropriations bill comes in context of recent BLM actions against Mr. Bundy: The federal agents armed themselves and surrounded his property, tasered his son, closed down road access to the ranch and even shot a couple of his prize bulls. The reasons? Mr. Bundy hadn’t paid his grazing fees to the federal government, but rather fought the matter in court.
    while I understand the sentiment (even if i don't agree with it) wouldn't the BLM still be able to work with other government organizations that have the power to come in armed? I don't know if this law would actually change anything.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Somehow I don't think a state can legislate to disarm the federal government.

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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Hopefully this law maker is successful.

    Bundy aftermath: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says 'They're not paramilitary units' - Washington Times
    Rep. Chris Stewart of Utah, concerned about the armed agents that surrounded Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s property, is mulling a measure to cut funding for any “paramilitary units” that work for the Bureau of Land Management, the Internal Revenue Service and other federal regulatory agencies.
    “There are lots of people who are really concerned when the BLM shows up with its own SWAT team,” he said, the Salt Lake Tribune reported. “They’re regulatory agencies. They’re not paramilitary units, and I think that concerns a lot of us.”

    His mulled amendment to an appropriations bill comes in context of recent BLM actions against Mr. Bundy: The federal agents armed themselves and surrounded his property, tasered his son, closed down road access to the ranch and even shot a couple of his prize bulls. The reasons? Mr. Bundy hadn’t paid his grazing fees to the federal government, but rather fought the matter in court.
    The guy has a point. They're regulatory agencies. They're not suppose to enforce laws or court orders at the point of a gun. That's what the police are supposed to be for.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Somehow I don't think a state can legislate to disarm the federal government.
    This isn't coming from the State Legislature but from someone that has a seat in the House of Representitives. Other wise known as the Senate. IE this bill is going through the federal legislative branch. Not state. And they definitely can disarm federal agencies.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean.McDonnell View Post
    while I understand the sentiment (even if i don't agree with it) wouldn't the BLM still be able to work with other government organizations that have the power to come in armed? I don't know if this law would actually change anything.
    They might be able to coordinate with the FBI. They'd more likely get more cooperation from local police forces though. Which is what they should do anyways as the local police force knows the area and people better than some bureaucrat that doesn't even live in the same state much less same city/town.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    They might be able to coordinate with the FBI. They'd more likely get more cooperation from local police forces though. Which is what they should do anyways as the local police force knows the area and people better than some bureaucrat that doesn't even live in the same state much less same city/town.
    That makes sense. I understand perfectly why people don't think they should be armed. But as far as the Bundy situation goes, whether its cops, FBI, sheriffs, or another force, someone needs to go in and make this guy answerable to the law.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean.McDonnell View Post
    That makes sense. I understand perfectly why people don't think they should be armed. But as far as the Bundy situation goes, whether its cops, FBI, sheriffs, or another force, someone needs to go in and make this guy answerable to the law.
    Some laws shouldn't be followed just because they are The Law. We're suppose to be a nation of people, not a nation ruled by the elite. Personally I think that since Bundy's family has been in that area for well over a century they should not have to ask for permission to use land that they had been using long before the BLM was even a twinkle in Big Daddies pants. Its called grandfathering and it should apply to the Bundy family for as long as the Bundy's live there.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Some laws shouldn't be followed just because they are The Law. We're suppose to be a nation of people, not a nation ruled by the elite. Personally I think that since Bundy's family has been in that area for well over a century they should not have to ask for permission to use land that they had been using long before the BLM was even a twinkle in Big Daddies pants. Its called grandfathering and it should apply to the Bundy family for as long as the Bundy's live there.
    The problem with that logic is that they were paying for years, and then stopped. The fact that they payed in the first place means they acknowledged that they had a contract with the federal government (thus recognizing its authority) and then stopped. And if it is Federal Land, then we, the taxpayer have been paying for it. So "the nation of people" are actually being ripped off by this guy. And even if we decide a law isn't just, you bring it up in the courts and legislature, you don't refuse to pay and ignore court orders.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This isn't coming from the State Legislature but from someone that has a seat in the House of Representitives. Other wise known as the Senate. IE this bill is going through the federal legislative branch. Not state. And they definitely can disarm federal agencies.
    My bad, I thought he was a state rep. You know as in state legislature. Every state has one.

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