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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    My bad, I thought he was a state rep. You know as in state legislature. Every state has one.
    It would have said State Rep before his name if he was.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean.McDonnell View Post
    The problem with that logic is that they were paying for years, and then stopped. The fact that they payed in the first place means they acknowledged that they had a contract with the federal government (thus recognizing its authority) and then stopped.
    Actually the Bundy family already stated why they paid in the first place and why they stopped. They paid the fees because the BLM was suppossed to help ranchers and the land. When the BLM stopped helping him but started to hinder he stopped paying them. It wasn't about recognizing the federal governments authority in the matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean.McDonnell View Post
    And if it is Federal Land, then we, the taxpayer have been paying for it. So "the nation of people" are actually being ripped off by this guy.
    How are you getting ripped off? He provides a service to the economy with his cows. He's a productive citizen of this country. He could after all just get rid of all his cows and become like the thousands of other moochers and live on welfare. But no, he provides a service and AFAIK he does pay his taxes. Just not the fees that the BLM is wanting from him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean.McDonnell View Post
    And even if we decide a law isn't just, you bring it up in the courts and legislature, you don't refuse to pay and ignore court orders.
    Tell that to Rosa Parks. Sometimes civil disobediance is justified and is a good thing. I have no problem with someone refusing to pay a fine and ignore court orders when they have a valid claim to do so. And IMO Bundy does.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    How about disarming the militias that are harboring and protecting a criminal on his ranch and keeping federal law enforcement from executing a court order against him.
    WTF?? Armed insurrection good, federal law enforcement bad?
    The anarchists are gaining a foothold with the republicons.

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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Tell that to Rosa Parks. Sometimes civil disobediance is justified and is a good thing. I have no problem with someone refusing to pay a fine and ignore court orders when they have a valid claim to do so. And IMO Bundy does.
    Rosa Parks ... really? ...REALLY?

    WTF? You have the balls to compare the racist Clive Bundy to civil rights movement pioneer Rosa Parks ?
    WOW!

    I see Bundy as being more akin to George Wallace with armed State troopers defying Federal Marshals who escorted black students into the University of Alabama to enforce a Federal Court desegregation order.

    Rosa Parks was resisting the unconstitutional state segregation laws of Alabama, not Federal law.
    You have it all exactly ass-backwards.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Rosa Parks ... really? ...REALLY?
    I think there's only one reason that anyone defends Bundy.

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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It would have said State Rep before his name if he was.
    You're right...I just wasn't paying attention.

    I have another question.....don't BLM employees have a right to protect themselves? After all, they are getting threatened.....


    FEDERAL WORKERS: With death threats, Nev. conflict highlights dangerous side of public land management -- Thursday, April 17, 2014 -- www.eenews.net


    The BLM webpage says they have "specific law enforcement responsibilities".....

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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Somehow I don't think a state can legislate to disarm the federal government.
    Doesn't that scare you?

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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by pogomutt View Post
    Doesn't that scare you?
    You think individual states should be able to dictate federal policy? Do you realize that doesn't make any sense?

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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Rosa Parks ... really? ...REALLY?

    WTF? You have the balls to compare the racist Clive Bundy to civil rights movement pioneer Rosa Parks ?
    WOW!

    I see Bundy as being more akin to George Wallace with armed State troopers defying Federal Marshals who escorted black students into the University of Alabama to enforce a Federal Court desegregation order.

    Rosa Parks was resisting the unconstitutional state segregation laws of Alabama, not Federal law.
    You have it all exactly ass-backwards.
    This isn't about race. Lets keep race out of it. And whether Bundy is a racist or not is also irrelevent to him refusing to pay the fines and him and the militia standing up to federal agents.. I used Rosa Parks as an example of civil disobediance because most people agree that her civil disobediance was justified. And I know exactly what she was doing. Which is why I used her. The fact that she was fighting against state laws is irrelevent. It doesn't matter whether its a state law or a federal law, justifiied civil disobediance can be used against both.

    Now, care to address the actual content of my post instead of going off on a fit because I compared Rosa Parks's civil disobediance to Bundy's civil disobediance?
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I think there's only one reason that anyone defends Bundy.
    Yeah? Whats that reason?
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