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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    How many years should have gone by before action was taken on FEDERAL Lands?
    Which County and State law enforcement officials should have the policing powers on FEDERAL lands.
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    How many times must I say this in this thread? I fully support their right to carry guns in self defense. I do NOT support them having policing powers with full tactical SWAT teams. There is a WORLD of difference between the two.
    Now, head back to the argument that this shouldn't be FEDERAL land .
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You're presuming local authorities have unlimited resources. That's not the case. It makes much more sense for the BLM to bring their own officers and leave the local PD to the mountain of work already before them. This is especially true in rural areas where the BLM could be utilizing nearly the entire on-duty police force for the majority of a day.
    Not really. I am, however, assuming that they have adequate resources to deal with Bundy.(minus the militia that showed up later, of course.)

    I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone here. I just think it is worthwhile to examine the possibility that there might be a little overkill.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Almost every police force is becoming heavily armed and have sections that are military like. What if the sheriffs department geared up paramilitray style and went out there?

    Is the problem that police forces are becoming paramiltarized or that federal agencies have police forces?
    Neither of your options. Its that regulatory agencies have police forces. I would have prefered that the police or FBI had gone out there as that is the reason for having police and the FBI.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Not really. I am, however, assuming that they have adequate resources to deal with Bundy.(minus the militia that showed up later, of course.)

    I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone here. I just think it is worthwhile to examine the possibility that there might be a little overkill.
    It's not overkill. When someone defies federal court orders for 20 years and declares that he does not recognize the federal government, and makes overt requests for a militia and rebellion, it's best to use overwhelming force.

    This is beyond question.

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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

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    How many years should have gone by before action was taken on FEDERAL Lands?
    Which County and State law enforcement officials should have the policing powers on FEDERAL lands.


    Now, head back to the argument that this shouldn't be FEDERAL land .
    The FBI has jurisdiction on federal land. And state and local police can also co-ordinate police actions with the permission of the government agency concerned.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, there is not. Having a couple dozen officers and a 3 man swat is proper self defense against a crazy fraud claiming that the federal government does not exist. Let's not belittle the level of disobedience and disregard that was being put on display by the Bundy idiot. The guy is a colossal moron and a danger. Overwhelming force was just, prudent even.
    And that force very well could have been state/local police and/or the FBI. It doesn't matter how large a force is required. The very reason that we have police and the FBI is to enforce laws and regulations. There is no need for the BLM or any other regulatory agency to have its own police force when we already have two different kinds of agencies who's very mandate is to enforce laws and regulations.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    And just as soon as the FBI goes after Bundy, as you advise, the arch-right-wingers would be coming out of the woodwork, as you know.
    Poor Bundy being attacked by the FBI is the headline you'd like to see.
    You have a circular argument that even you see through.
    We have entered a phase of our history where there will be no end to anti-federal gov't attitudes unless DEMs are out of the picture .
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    The FBI has jurisdiction on federal land. And state and local police can also co-ordinate police actions with the permission of the government agency concerned.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's not overkill. When someone defies federal court orders for 20 years and declares that he does not recognize the federal government, and makes overt requests for a militia and rebellion, it's best to use overwhelming force.

    This is beyond question.
    In the case of Bundy I fully agree that it was not overkill. But now what? This "overwhelming force" is still employed by the BLM and what are they doing right now? This is what I'm getting at.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And that force very well could have been state/local police and/or the FBI.
    Nah. Those guys are busy with their local stuff.

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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    In the case of Bundy I fully agree that it was not overkill. But now what? This "overwhelming force" is still employed by the BLM and what are they doing right now? This is what I'm getting at.
    The BLM has about 250 officers, nation wide. They're presumably doing BLM stuff. Why are you confused?

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