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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    I hear the contrary from persons that advocate conceal/open carry...that the police can not be everywhere.

    Many call for armed gaurds or arming teachers and staff at schools...so how is a school district police force wrong?
    There is a difference between having guards and having a police force. Schools, hospitals etc etc should have guards. They are not there to enforce the law. They're there to guard people. Government regulatory agencies with policing powers on the other hand are trying to enforce regulations that they make. IMO that's like saying that Microsoft can have their own police force in which to enforce the terms of their TOS.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There is a difference between having guards and having a police force. Schools, hospitals etc etc should have guards. They are not there to enforce the law. They're there to guard people. Government regulatory agencies with policing powers on the other hand are trying to enforce regulations that they make. IMO that's like saying that Microsoft can have their own police force in which to enforce the terms of their TOS.
    Were are discussing what is. The BLM and school districts have police forces, Midrosoft does not.

    What order was BLM enforcing? BLM policy or a court order to vacate?


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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Were are discussing what is. The BLM and school districts have police forces, Midrosoft does not.
    No, actually we're talking about a lawmakers belief that regulatory agencies should not be armed because they are not a paramilitary unit.

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    What order was BLM enforcing? BLM policy or a court order to vacate?
    It was a court order based off of BLM policy. So both.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Now that we have that out of our systems I still support what the guy said in the OP quote.
    As a regulatory agency they should not be going around toting guns.
    Living in Idaho, you are quite aware of the entrance of the Mexican cartels into our NPS, NFS and BLM lands to grow pot.
    As a website that avidly supports the common man carrying weapons that police do, do you want these BLM agents to face cartels unarmed ?
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    .What is the issue is whether or not certain agencies should be equipped with military weapons or military like weapons.
    So when BLM, NFS and NPS agents come across Cartels armed to the teeth, you want them to be unarmed,
    far less than the common man you believe should be armed to the teeth like SWAT teams and Militias .
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Living in Idaho, you are quite aware of the entrance of the Mexican cartels into our NPS, NFS and BLM lands to grow pot.
    As a website that avidly supports the common man carrying weapons that police do, do you want these BLM agents to face cartels unarmed ?
    How many times must I say this in this thread? I fully support their right to carry guns in self defense. I do NOT support them having policing powers with full tactical SWAT teams. There is a WORLD of difference between the two.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post

    I've already explained how the agency having a small force saves money, time and effort by local agencies who do not always have such resources available for extended periods of time.
    Wouldn't it actually cost more? Logistically, it would be ridiculous to have units in place in every location where they could conceivably be needed so unless one of these units just happened to be located in Nevada I'm assuming they had to be mobilized and transported a great distance to get there? Seems like it would be a hell of a lot less expensive to use local authorities.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Wouldn't it actually cost more? Logistically, it would be ridiculous to have units in place in every location where they could conceivably be needed so unless one of these units just happened to be located in Nevada I'm assuming they had to be mobilized and transported a great distance to get there? Seems like it would be a hell of a lot less expensive to use local authorities.
    You're presuming local authorities have unlimited resources. That's not the case. It makes much more sense for the BLM to bring their own officers and leave the local PD to the mountain of work already before them. This is especially true in rural areas where the BLM could be utilizing nearly the entire on-duty police force for the majority of a day.

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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No, actually we're talking about a lawmakers belief that regulatory agencies should not be armed because they are not a paramilitary unit.


    It was a court order based off of BLM policy. So both.
    Almost every police force is becoming heavily armed and have sections that are military like. What if the sheriffs department geared up paramilitray style and went out there?

    Is the problem that police forces are becoming paramiltarized or that federal agencies have police forces?


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    Re: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How many times must I say this in this thread? I fully support their right to carry guns in self defense. I do NOT support them having policing powers with full tactical SWAT teams. There is a WORLD of difference between the two.
    No, there is not. Having a couple dozen officers and a 3 man swat is proper self defense against a crazy fraud claiming that the federal government does not exist. Let's not belittle the level of disobedience and disregard that was being put on display by the Bundy idiot. The guy is a colossal moron and a danger. Overwhelming force was just, prudent even.

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