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    Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

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    Even if so...so what? Bush isn't President, and Bush had nothing to do with the subject matter.
    Cmon Mac you know they carry that shield. They think it is a lucky talisman.

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    Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You're crossing streams. That comment was not about Bush.

    And again, this thread has nothing to do with Bush.
    Didn't say it did. I simply said we have two cases where the facts didn't match the claims. You see one but are blind to the other.

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    Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I'm making a valid comparison. My thesis is the partisan can only see in one direction. You prove it every day for me Grim. If you admit Bush lied, then I'll take claims of lying from you guys more seriously.
    Sorry Boo... I'm still not falling for it.

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    Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

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    Sorry Boo... I'm still not falling for it.
    Of course not, because you know down deep that I'm right.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That may be, to a lessor degree. But no one who thinks Bush didn't lie can call Obama a liar here with credibility.
    More selective use of evidence than lying. Problem for BHO in this comparison is that GWB's crowd had some evidence to select -- found to be erroneous but at least extant -- while BHO's group just chose to ride an assumption without any evidence whatsoever. That puts the BHO bunch in a weaker position than the GWB group.
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    Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Even if so...so what? Bush isn't President, and Bush had nothing to do with the subject matter.
    I want you to adjust your eye sight. This spin is far less grievous. So far I can't find a smoking gun. All you've claim is that because WH staff was involved in the talking points, you leap to Obama lied. I'm saying you need more. I can pile up the evidence on Bush. You won't except it. So why do you think that little you have justifies the leap?

    Im offering a suggestion: partisan glasses.

    If you have something more, present it. But I wanted then context clear, we have a precedence of what us required set by Bush supporters. Right?

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    Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Didn't say it did. I simply said we have two cases where the facts didn't match the claims. You see one but are blind to the other.
    I'm not blind to the other, I don't care about it. I care about what my President and his administration are doing.
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    Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I want you to adjust your eye sight. This spin is far less grievous. So far I can't find a smoking gun. All you've claim is that because WH staff was involved in the talking points, you leap to Obama lied. I'm saying you need more. I can pile up the evidence on Bush. You won't except it. So why do you think that little you have justifies the leap?

    Im offering a suggestion: partisan glasses.

    If you have something more, present it. But I wanted then context clear, we have a precedence of what us required set by Bush supporters. Right?
    I want you to focus on the issue at hand, rather than diverting.
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    Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    More selective use of evidence than lying. Problem for BHO in this comparison is that GWB's crowd had some evidence to select -- found to be erroneous but at least extant -- while BHO's group just chose to ride an assumption without any evidence whatsoever. That puts the BHO bunch in a weaker position than the GWB group.
    One thing I actually agree with Mac on, if you get too selective, it's lying. I would say with Bush, the decided on an answer, and sought to make evidence fit it, regardless of how suspect the evidence. With Obama it was early, they may have reaching, but in short order it was corrected. The misinformation had no effect. Bush used that deception to actually create the situation that cost lives.

    So on the whole, I can't rate Obama as worse or weaker.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I want you to focus on the issue at hand, rather than diverting.
    Live explained that I am. It us the issue at hand, you are leaping where the evidence has taken us. And I've explained why I think that is.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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