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    Re: Big Chill: Feds want to scour Net, Media for 'Hate Speech'[W:32]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Here's what hating "whistle blowers" on government spying of monitoring citizens leads too. A Bill that will allow the Feds to scour the Internet for anything they *think* or deem as "hate speech". That would include anything said on websites like Debate Politics, concerning these subjects, based on gender, race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation and create recommendations to address such crimes.

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    Of course it can happen. The government loves spying and oppression.
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    Re: Big Chill: Feds want to scour Net, Media for 'Hate Speech'[W:32]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Here's what hating "whistle blowers" on government spying of monitoring citizens leads too. A Bill that will allow the Feds to scour the Internet for anything they *think* or deem as "hate speech". That would include anything said on websites like Debate Politics, concerning these subjects, based on gender, race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation and create recommendations to address such crimes.

    Don't think it could happen? We could be creating an environment that we didn't expect or want. Watch out who you condemn, it may be yourself.







    Big chill: Feds want to scour Net, media for ‘hate speech’
    The fed has been doing that for years. That was most of the NSA's monitoring of US citizen's cell phone chatter. Or their online exchanges. The NSA has algorithms that processed millions of calls and online posts every day. They don't keep records of the banter. All they're looking for is key words. "Bomb" is a biggy. That'll get you some unwanted attention. Phrases that threaten violence against the US get recorded, and are sometimes investigated. That's what the NSA concerned itself with: finding domestic terrorists. They could care less about your latest saccharine call to a new lover.

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    Re: Big Chill: Feds want to scour Net, Media for 'Hate Speech'

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The bill also applies to those encouraging the commision of crimes of hate which are not necessarily violent since they may include acts of graffiti or vandalism.

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    Not a lawyer here, but wouldn't that fall under "conspiracy to commit crime" under any other circumstance?

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    Re: Big Chill: Feds want to scour Net, Media for 'Hate Speech'

    I'm generally uncomfortable with any increased surveillance of the internet for comments made that may be criminal. That being said, would anybody here write in to a newspaper and write that somebody should kill a head of state or minorities? No? Then why would you think writing those things on a public internet forum is any more appropriate or prudent?

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    Re: Big Chill: Feds want to scour Net, Media for 'Hate Speech'[W:32]

    Quote Originally Posted by pogomutt View Post
    The fed has been doing that for years. That was most of the NSA's monitoring of US citizen's cell phone chatter. Or their online exchanges. The NSA has algorithms that processed millions of calls and online posts every day. They don't keep records of the banter. All they're looking for is key words. "Bomb" is a biggy. That'll get you some unwanted attention. Phrases that threaten violence against the US get recorded, and are sometimes investigated. That's what the NSA concerned itself with: finding domestic terrorists. They could care less about your latest saccharine call to a new lover.
    I don't care what the hell they are concerned about. The government is limited in action and power. That's it. These "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear" arguments (which most assuridly yours is) are crap arguments based in authoritarianism and not upon the rights and liberties of The People.
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    Re: Big Chill: Feds want to scour Net, Media for 'Hate Speech'

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Not a lawyer here, but wouldn't that fall under "conspiracy to commit crime" under any other circumstance?
    Conspiracy (basically an agreement to cooperate) requires two way communication - posting views, even while hoping to influencie others, is not a conspiracy.
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    Re: Big Chill: Feds want to scour Net, Media for 'Hate Speech'[W:32]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't care what the hell they are concerned about. The government is limited in action and power. That's it. These "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear" arguments (which most assuridly yours is) are crap arguments based in authoritarianism and not upon the rights and liberties of The People.
    Thanks for the sermon, reverend. Talk about fire and brimstone. But tell me, where in my post do you see an endorsement of the NSA? I'm stating facts about federal policy as it existed. You needn't educate me on legality. What many federal agencies have been doing, is conducting illegal surveillance on all of us, without benefit of warrant. That's not allowed. In the argument of safety vs. privacy, I'll take the added threat of terrorism over Big Brother every time.

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    Re: Big Chill: Feds want to scour Net, Media for 'Hate Speech'

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    psh, then i would have never enjoyed that 70s show.




    obviously the feds can, but its a huge slope between going after a wannabe warlord like tigger than someone like me. These things have happened in the past, but we will see it coming years in advance.
    Most people never see it coming till it way too late. Its the frog and boiling water analogy.
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    Re: Big Chill: Feds want to scour Net, Media for 'Hate Speech'[W:32]

    Quote Originally Posted by pogomutt View Post
    The fed has been doing that for years. That was most of the NSA's monitoring of US citizen's cell phone chatter. Or their online exchanges. The NSA has algorithms that processed millions of calls and online posts every day. They don't keep records of the banter. All they're looking for is key words. "Bomb" is a biggy. That'll get you some unwanted attention. Phrases that threaten violence against the US get recorded, and are sometimes investigated. That's what the NSA concerned itself with: finding domestic terrorists. They could care less about your latest saccharine call to a new lover.
    They may only be looking for terrorists now but there's nothing to stop them from gathering other kinds of information. Everything from peoples dirty little secrets, comments on race, criticizing the gov't to keeping a dossier on people of position and power... all for leverage.
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    Re: Big Chill: Feds want to scour Net, Media for 'Hate Speech'[W:32]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    They may only be looking for terrorists now but there's nothing to stop them from gathering other kinds of information. Everything from peoples dirty little secrets, comments on race, criticizing the gov't to keeping a dossier on people of position and power... all for leverage.
    That's what J Edgar Hoover did for decades.

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