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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Are you a rancher that has been abused?

    I am a citizen. The mistreatment of any citizen by government is of concern to me.



    Well, except hippies of course.



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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    But as I keep saying (and you keep ignoring) there are REASONS why there is a push-back going on, and it involved Federal land grabs and numerous offenses against property owners in certain states, and heavy-handed Fed actions.
    Were these land grabs compensated somehow?
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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

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    Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen | Wilderness.org


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    Militia Link Suspected In Acts Against Federal Land Workers The Fbi Is Examining March Bombings Of Forest Service In Nevada. - Philly.com



    And so, now it's come to being violent towards people working in the field who are employed by the US Government as Forest Service and BLM people.

    This won't come to an end until more government employees are injured or killed by just performing their jobs. Then the government might do something about finding these nut jobs, arresting them and getting them into courts.

    It must be pretty bad for people just doing their jobs having to look over their shoulders all the time, wondering if someone is going to attack them.
    Indeed it is. Welcome to the USA but beware that their are criminals among the population and some are quite violent. Let me guess that since it is gov't workers then the answer is to arm them or to provide them armed protection at the expense of the general public.

    Perhaps you can show us some evidence that it is more dangerous to be a federal civilian worker than say a logger, hunter or trapper on those same lands.
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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but the point is that someone can be "just doing their job" and still be oppressing people.


    Do I think that, by and large, the average Ranger or BLM employee is equivalent to the KGB or engaged in oppression? No. Do I support indiscriminate violence against same? No.

    But as I keep saying (and you keep ignoring) there are REASONS why there is a push-back going on, and it involved Federal land grabs and numerous offenses against property owners in certain states, and heavy-handed Fed actions.


    The thing that ought to concern everyone is that we've reached a point where grievances against the People have caused some to start viewing any Fedgov agent as an enemy... and to recognize that the reasons why are NOT simply "militia are violent for no reason".
    So, people working in field offices, scrubbing toilets, clearing trails, cleaning campsites, collecting fees,and doing other arduous tasks of manual labor are oppressing? OMG, I can believe now how you equate those workers to the KGB. Wow, just wow.

    Grievances people have about their dislikes with our government should be litigated in a court system, not at gunpoint, and not with instilling fear into a person's workplace by planting bombs.

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I thought it was going to be a link to the text of the patriot act or something.

    I believe in protecting whatever we have left too, but, why are militia groups targeting people who work in the field? Aren't they spinning their wheels? Shouldn't they be getting their heads together and filing lawsuits or briefs in the courts? That's why there are courts, for people to file their grievances they have with the government. Not sneaking around in the shadows hoping to ambush innocent people just trying to do their jobs.
    Nothing has happened recently to warrant worry but, I'm sure fear and anger are fuming.


    Both of the recent cases against the BLM have for decades. "You can't fight city hall" as the saying goes.

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Were these land grabs compensated somehow?


    I don't really care. Eminent domain should never be used except for truly necessary purposes that benefit the public as a whole, and even then only sparingly.

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    So, people working in field offices, scrubbing toilets, clearing trails, cleaning campsites, collecting fees,and doing other arduous tasks of manual labor are oppressing? OMG, I can believe now how you equate those workers to the KGB. Wow, just wow.

    Grievances people have about their dislikes with our government should be litigated in a court system, not at gunpoint, and not with instilling fear into a person's workplace by planting bombs.


    Strawman arguments. You're either deliberately misrepresenting me or else you didn't even read the post.



    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but the point is that someone can be "just doing their job" and still be oppressing people.


    Do I think that, by and large, the average Ranger or BLM employee is equivalent to the KGB or engaged in oppression? No. Do I support indiscriminate violence against same? No.

    But as I keep saying (and you keep ignoring) there are REASONS why there is a push-back going on, and it involved Federal land grabs and numerous offenses against property owners in certain states, and heavy-handed Fed actions.


    The thing that ought to concern everyone is that we've reached a point where grievances against the People have caused some to start viewing any Fedgov agent as an enemy... and to recognize that the reasons why are NOT simply "militia are violent for no reason".

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I don't really care. Eminent domain should never be used except for truly necessary purposes that benefit the public as a whole, and even then only sparingly.
    Well lands taken by force could be either compensated or not. One outcome is preferred over the other.
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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    seriously if you believe the National Park service is the KGB leave my country.
    Really? If anyone objects to the actions of gov't agents then they should simply pack up and leave the nation? I am sure that you have seen no examples of gov't agents ever doing something wrong, and if they ever should do so then you would expect to see a mass exodus from that surrounding area rather than a "fuss" over the breach of public trust.
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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Indeed it is. Welcome to the USA but beware that their are criminals among the population and some are quite violent. Let me guess that since it is gov't workers then the answer is to arm them or to provide them armed protection at the expense of the general public.

    Perhaps you can show us some evidence that it is more dangerous to be a federal civilian worker than say a logger, hunter or trapper on those same lands.
    More so in this day and age, as there is an upward spike in violence against park service, forest workers, and blm workers on the job, according to the PEER research group, which stopped reporting of such incidents about two years ago.

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