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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    What's with the KGB remark?

    That was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but the point is that someone can be "just doing their job" and still be oppressing people.


    Do I think that, by and large, the average Ranger or BLM employee is equivalent to the KGB or engaged in oppression? No. Do I support indiscriminate violence against same? No.

    But as I keep saying (and you keep ignoring) there are REASONS why there is a push-back going on, and it involved Federal land grabs and numerous offenses against property owners in certain states, and heavy-handed Fed actions.


    The thing that ought to concern everyone is that we've reached a point where grievances against the People have caused some to start viewing any Fedgov agent as an enemy... and to recognize that the reasons why are NOT simply "militia are violent for no reason".

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    No. It is my country as much as it is yours. Excuse me if I am not fond of the heavy-handed way it is being run.
    They tried the due process, court of law thing for twenty years. Why don't you tell us how much more leeway a man gets before his door gets kicked in?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

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    Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen | Wilderness.org


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    Militia Link Suspected In Acts Against Federal Land Workers The Fbi Is Examining March Bombings Of Forest Service In Nevada. - Philly.com



    And so, now it's come to being violent towards people working in the field who are employed by the US Government as Forest Service and BLM people.

    This won't come to an end until more government employees are injured or killed by just performing their jobs. Then the government might do something about finding these nut jobs, arresting them and getting them into courts.

    It must be pretty bad for people just doing their jobs having to look over their shoulders all the time, wondering if someone is going to attack them.
    So those bombings by militias in '95 is some how linked to an increase in in violence in 2013?

    Just out of curiosity...how exactly can you link what some militia did in '95 to the increased violence against park rangers since the blog you sourced doesn't even have the word "militia" in it but instead refers to the sequestrian in '13?

    Why do I have a feeling that this thread is because of whats going on with Cliven Bundy and the OP just wants to make all militias look like terrorists so that they can be punished while not caring about actual evidence......?
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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I wonder if you'd be so cavalier about harming federal agents if the shooter was wearing a turban instead of a cowboy hat.


    Foreign terrorists =/= citizens outraged over decades of abuses of power.

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    When it come to people and their private possessions (or just privacy) there are very few things that get the FedGov's attention.

    Here's an example of 'tinkering' the FedGov has done to cause people's distrust and anger.

    http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online...ntiquities.pdf

    Don't get me wrong here, I'm all about protecting the wilderness areas of this country but, there needs to be a damn good reason why the FedGov wants to own so much of the western US.
    I thought it was going to be a link to the text of the patriot act or something.

    I believe in protecting whatever we have left too, but, why are militia groups targeting people who work in the field? Aren't they spinning their wheels? Shouldn't they be getting their heads together and filing lawsuits or briefs in the courts? That's why there are courts, for people to file their grievances they have with the government. Not sneaking around in the shadows hoping to ambush innocent people just trying to do their jobs.

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They tried the due process, court of law thing for twenty years. Why don't you tell us how much more leeway a man gets before his door gets kicked in?


    The thing some people don't seem to be getting is that this isn't even mainly about Bundy. It is a reaction to decades of Federal land-grabs and abuse of ranchers.

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Foreign terrorists =/= citizens outraged over decades of abuses of power.
    US Federal Agents =/= KGB.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The thing some people don't seem to be getting is that this isn't even mainly about Bundy. It is a reaction to decades of Federal land-grabs and abuse of ranchers.
    Are you a rancher that has been abused?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    US Federal Agents =/= KGB.


    Ah, that is an interesting point. I submit that your viewpoint on that might change if it was your ox getting gored.

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So those bombings by militias in '95 is some how linked to an increase in in violence in 2013?

    Just out of curiosity...how exactly can you link what some militia did in '95 to the increased violence against park rangers since the blog you sourced doesn't even have the word "militia" in it but instead refers to the sequestrian in '13?

    Why do I have a feeling that this thread is because of whats going on with Cliven Bundy and the OP just wants to make all militias look like terrorists so that they can be punished while not caring about actual evidence......?
    As you know, terrorists, domestic and international just do not die off or fade into obscurity, they come back at later dates to taunt and plan attacks on innocent people. But, you already knew that, yes?

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