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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but the point is that someone can be "just doing their job" and still be oppressing people.


    Do I think that, by and large, the average Ranger or BLM employee is equivalent to the KGB or engaged in oppression? No. Do I support indiscriminate violence against same? No.

    But as I keep saying (and you keep ignoring) there are REASONS why there is a push-back going on, and it involved Federal land grabs and numerous offenses against property owners in certain states, and heavy-handed Fed actions.


    The thing that ought to concern everyone is that we've reached a point where grievances against the People have caused some to start viewing any Fedgov agent as an enemy... and to recognize that the reasons why are NOT simply "militia are violent for no reason".

    They will only accept a history of grievances as an excuse for hostilities against the US government if you are a foreigner. If you are a citizen you should expect to lose your land and be happy about it.
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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but the point is that someone can be "just doing their job" and still be oppressing people.


    Do I think that, by and large, the average Ranger or BLM employee is equivalent to the KGB or engaged in oppression? No. Do I support indiscriminate violence against same? No.

    But as I keep saying (and you keep ignoring) there are REASONS why there is a push-back going on, and it involved Federal land grabs and numerous offenses against property owners in certain states, and heavy-handed Fed actions.


    The thing that ought to concern everyone is that we've reached a point where grievances against the People have caused some to start viewing any Fedgov agent as an enemy... and to recognize that the reasons why are NOT simply "militia are violent for no reason".
    You don't help the situation when you compare BLM employees to the KGB. First post in the thread and you pull a Godwin.


    You seem confused about just who is grabbing whose land out here in the west. It's the states that are trying to grab the land...not the federal government. Here's the kicker.....the BLM charges a grazing fee of $1.35 per head of cattle...and the state of Nevada charges $12. Is that the state rights that Bundy is fighting for when he says he'll only pay grazing fees to the state? I don't think any rancher in his right mind would agree with Bundy on this issue. Bundy is just a free loading welfare queen.....nothing more...nothing less.


    So how does charging less for grazing fees than any private rancher or state government translate into "abuse" and "KGB"?

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You don't help the situation when you compare BLM employees to the KGB. First post in the thread and you pull a Godwin.


    You seem confused about just who is grabbing whose land out here in the west. It's the states that are trying to grab the land...not the federal government. Here's the kicker.....the BLM charges a grazing fee of $1.35 per head of cattle...and the state of Nevada charges $12. Is that the state rights that Bundy is fighting for when he says he'll only pay grazing fees to the state? I don't think any rancher in his right mind would agree with Bundy on this issue. Bundy is just a free loading welfare queen.....nothing more...nothing less.


    So how does charging less for grazing fees than any private rancher or state government translate into "abuse" and "KGB"?
    How dare they charge me less! Why, it's just Communism I say, no different from the KGB to charge $1.35 when they could charge $12! It's, why, it must be that income redistribution stuff we keep hearing so much about! Marxism, I say, Marxism pure and simple. Charge me the whole $12 or get off my... I mean your land and leave me alone. I don't recognize the federal government's existence anyway.
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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    How dare they charge me less! Why, it's just Communism I say, no different from the KGB to charge $1.35 when they could charge $12! It's, why, it must be that income redistribution stuff we keep hearing so much about! Marxism, I say, Marxism pure and simple. Charge me the whole $12 or get off my... I mean your land and leave me alone. I don't recognize the federal government's existence anyway.
    I hope you're being sarcastic. lol

    What Bundy is doing is no different than if let his cows graze on private land and then not only refuse to pay for it but remove his cows as well. Its stealing.
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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    If any Federal agency was equivalent to the KGB then you and all dissidents like you would be in a Gulag camp.

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin
    I wonder if the OP were this outraged when ELF and ALF were spiking trees and injuring or killing people cutting timber?
    ELF and ALF have never killed or injured anyone. They only attack property whereas right wing activists and militias attack people.

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

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    Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen | Wilderness.org


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    Militia Link Suspected In Acts Against Federal Land Workers The Fbi Is Examining March Bombings Of Forest Service In Nevada. - Philly.com



    And so, now it's come to being violent towards people working in the field who are employed by the US Government as Forest Service and BLM people.

    This won't come to an end until more government employees are injured or killed by just performing their jobs. Then the government might do something about finding these nut jobs, arresting them and getting them into courts.

    It must be pretty bad for people just doing their jobs having to look over their shoulders all the time, wondering if someone is going to attack them.

    Not advocating violence against these BLM and Forest Service workers, but these folks should spend more time doing something about the thousands of illegal pot growers operated by Mexican drug cartels than they do hassling ranchers, loggers, miners and general outdoor enthusiasts---- in my opinion.

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Not advocating violence against these BLM and Forest Service workers, but these folks should spend more time doing something about the thousands of illegal pot growers operated by Mexican drug cartels than they do hassling ranchers, loggers, miners and general outdoor enthusiasts---- in my opinion.
    I hope you're aware of the fact that BLM & Forest Service have a limited number of LE officers. Add to that cuts in funding to those agencies.

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Edit post # 98.

    Fighting forest fires takes a lot of money too, it's a drain on their resources and a big drain on the pocketbook.

    I hope we don't experience wildfires as massive as the ones in the past few years, but they're still in a drought situation out west, and mother nature isn't cooperating weather wise.

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    Re: Report shows violence against rangers rising, sequestration likely to worsen

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I wonder if the OP were this outraged when ELF and ALF were spiking trees and injuring or killing people cutting timber?
    Those people are as just crazy as the ones wishing to harm government workers. Why harm someone just because it's their job to cut down trees? They do not change bureaucratic ways over night and neither does any one else for that matter. But, keeping to the same idea, it's just as crazy to be harming a government worker just doing his/her job too.
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