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    'Gun enthusiasts' threaten woman for selling a safer gun

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/us...obby.html?_r=0

    Posted a couple of links. How sad is it that the NRA opposes technology that would limit the usage of handguns?

    In the words of the NRA, this might lead to "opening the door to a ban on all guns that do not possess the government-required technology."

    Except that no one at this point is even suggesting this technology be government mandated. Given the millions of legal guns currently in circulation, I am not even certain that such a requirement could even be technically or logistically feasible, let alone desirable.

    But... leaving that aside for a moment, how deluded are people if they think that this is the beginning of some kind of gun-armageddon? No one is suggesting you give up normal guns, no one is suggesting that we get rid of them. This is just one way of protecting people from gun-related accidents and tragedies. In the words of the Daily Kos article,

    If we try to make a gun that your children can't find and play with and accidentally fire into some other child's skull, we will have lost an important piece of America. If we try to make a gun for police departments that only officers can fire and not people who might be attacking them, well now that takes some of the sport out of it, doesn't it?

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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    making guns that only the government can use is essentially disarming the slaves now isnt it.


    do some research and will find that governments ARE the NUMBER one killer of all time.

    so i guess arming the number one killer makes you feel safer how?

    you are all for disarming the slaves huh?

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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrecess View Post
    how deluded are people if they think that this is the beginning of some kind of gun-armageddon?
    The real question is; How deluded is she to think the idea is good?
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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    I have a feeling that Bloomberg's cash infusion is going to be the turning point against NRA dominance regarding the Second Amendment.

    So far, the Bloomberg sponsored group has not questioned whether or not the Second Amendment is an individual right. This sets them far apart from past gun control groups.

    Rather, the new "Moms" group has attacked the NRA for obstructing back grounds checks via private seller loopholes, their fixation with AR-15 clones, their expansion of "Stand Your Ground" laws to new states, and support of "carry a weapon to a bar" type laws.

    If this group can keep affirming the Second Amendment and only attack NRA obsessions, my guess is that they are not only going to attract anti gunner, but moderate gun owners as well.

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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The real question is; How deluded is she to think the idea is good?
    How is it not? If only one accident is ever prevented because a gun refused to fire because the owner was not handling it, is it not worth it?

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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrecess View Post
    How is it not? If only one accident is ever prevented because a gun refused to fire because the owner was not handling it, is it not worth it?
    No it is not.
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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    making guns that only the government can use is essentially disarming the slaves now isnt it.


    do some research and will find that governments ARE the NUMBER one killer of all time.

    so i guess arming the number one killer makes you feel safer how?

    you are all for disarming the slaves huh?
    You are completely missing the point... This is not a government inspired or mandated technology... This was manufactured by someone in the private market, for use on the private market. If a government agency were to purchase these guns, they would be supporting private enterprise and doing so in a way that would control the use of state weapons.

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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrecess View Post
    How is it not? If only one accident is ever prevented because a gun refused to fire because the owner was not handling it, is it not worth it?
    If the technology fails, and the owner dies because the weapon wouldn't work, was it worth it?

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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrecess View Post
    'Gun enthusiasts' threaten woman for selling a safer gun

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/us...obby.html?_r=0

    Posted a couple of links. How sad is it that the NRA opposes technology that would limit the usage of handguns?

    In the words of the NRA, this might lead to "opening the door to a ban on all guns that do not possess the government-required technology."

    Except that no one at this point is even suggesting this technology be government mandated. Given the millions of legal guns currently in circulation, I am not even certain that such a requirement could even be technically or logistically feasible, let alone desirable.

    But... leaving that aside for a moment, how deluded are people if they think that this is the beginning of some kind of gun-armageddon? No one is suggesting you give up normal guns, no one is suggesting that we get rid of them. This is just one way of protecting people from gun-related accidents and tragedies. In the words of the Daily Kos article,
    Setting aside the obvious, built in, escape valve "at this point" your (bolded above) claim is very suspect. Thei dea that "new guns" can somehow be controlled so long as the "old guns" are left alone, by grandfather clauses, is a very tempting work around for those wishing to limit 2A rights.

    If the "new gun" costs $2K what will that likely do to the price of an "old gun"? Each proposed "reasonable restriction" adds costs to the ability to exercise 2A rights making a few more folks not be able to buy/carry one; add a $6/year ID card to vote and the left goes nuts, but add 10X that to the cost of owning a gun and all is fine (not a discriminatory burden at all).

    Smart gun technology could trigger New Jersey law - CNN.com

    'Smart' gun control? Dem bill would require all new guns be 'personalized' | Fox News
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrecess View Post
    How is it not? If only one accident is ever prevented because a gun refused to fire because the owner was not handling it, is it not worth it?
    What if one fails to protect its rightful owner at the time of need? How many times have cars not worked, and needed to be fixed, because a gov't mandated feature has failed? I do not want a gun that has a dead battery or a cracked/blocked "me" sensor and thus become "armed" with a hammer.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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