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Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'[W:196]

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If the "gun enthusiasts" made reasonable explanations as to why the smart gun might not be a great idea, that would be one thing. These particular ones are resorting to nothing but thuggish intimidation and harassment.
 
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Re-reading it....perhaps it was more of a challenge.

How could it be anything other than a challenge? I'm here in south central Texas behind a computer screen.
 
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That does not mean they don't have the right to sell it.
Sure they do, and I hope it is a massive failure because it's a very stupid idea that endangers people. This thing is the Ford Edsel of firearms.
 
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It's disappointing that only two people in this thread seem to be bothered by the woman's harassment.

If gun enthusiasts value 'rights' then they should oppose those who are harassing her and realize/recognize how creepy and dangerous THAT behavior is. What will responses be if she ends up being shot or harassed further as a result? Why? Because she thinks a product is beneficial and good and so she sells it?

Good point. I mostly focused on the smart-gun aspect.
 
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Well thats the thing see...gun bullies never admit they're a bully. They just think they're patriots.
I serve honorably in the military, abide by the law, pay my taxes and participate in the political process. Surly those are behaviors of a patriotic citizen.
 
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If the "gun enthusiasts" made reasonable explanations as to why the smart gun might not be a great idea, that would be one thing. These particular ones are resorting to nothing but thuggish intimidation and harassment.
All you have to do is read the multitude of explanations that are given every time someone posts an OP about it. Everything has been covered, it's too expensive for what you get, I can get a top line pistol for what this piece of junk costs, and that's before the wristwatch is even built into the price. If a person doesn't have the watch when they need the gun, they are likely dead. The electronics can fail, they can also overheat and fire off a round indiscriminately, anyone with an RFID blocker can disable the firearm.

AsJerry pointed out, one MAJOR problem is the firearm will always be in "active" mode while the watch is close so that means you can have a negligent discharge without actually being negligent, and, as well, the batteries could go dead when you need the firearm, and there is also(as Jerry pointed out) a potential unintended consequence of people getting away from long held safety practices which will cause more injuries rather than less.
 
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And what if it is a success?
Have you been paying attention to the people who know this subject? The thing is universally hated by the main consumer base, firearms purchasers.
 
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NRA = lobbying for gun manufacturers.

About half their funds come from manufacturers. So what? The other half still comes from millions of members. You wield that goofy statement like it is supposed to amount to something. Big deal. If you are actually sincere in your desire to save lives, the alcohol lobby way outspent the NRA last year. Is that a bad thing considering their products (alcohol) costs the US exponentially more in medical costs and tragedy?
 
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This has not been an issue with any weapon I've ever owned...
That's called anecdotal evidence and I don't how you expect to prove that on a forum.
 
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All you have to do is read the multitude of explanations that are given every time someone posts an OP about it. Everything has been covered, it's too expensive for what you get, I can get a top line pistol for what this piece of junk costs, and that's before the wristwatch is even built into the price. If a person doesn't have the watch when they need the gun, they are likely dead. The electronics can fail, they can also overheat and fire off a round indiscriminately, anyone with an RFID blocker can disable the firearm.

AsJerry pointed out, one MAJOR problem is the firearm will always be in "active" mode while the watch is close so that means you can have a negligent discharge without actually being negligent, and, as well, the batteries could go dead when you need the firearm, and there is also(as Jerry pointed out) a potential unintended consequence of people getting away from long held safety practices which will cause more injuries rather than less.

And that's fine. (well, it's not fine) The argument is not whether the smart gun works or not. The argument is over the absolutely vile treatment this woman is receiving.

Have you been paying attention to the people who know this subject? The thing is universally hated by the main consumer base, firearms purchasers.

Then they don't have to buy one.
 
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And that's fine. (well, it's not fine) The argument is not whether the smart gun works or not. The argument is over the absolutely vile treatment this woman is receiving.
That is absolutely true. I think personally she made a piss poor business decision, but it's hers to make and she should be left alone to succeed or fail with it.



Then they don't have to buy one.
I agree. Unfortunately, there are already some idiots in elected office who want to try for laws mandating these pieces of junk.
 
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That's called anecdotal evidence and I don't how you expect to prove that on a forum.

No, it's called a fact. You see, the vast majority of gun owners take the ownership responsibility to ensure access is limited. What many control advocates want is to restrict everyone because of those who either illegally possess guns or are careless which is a distinct minority...
 
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Have you been paying attention to the people who know this subject? The thing is universally hated by the main consumer base, firearms purchasers.

This premise of the gun design could serve as the basis for further improvement.
 
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'Gun enthusiasts' threaten woman for selling a safer gun

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/us/politics/smart-firearm-draws-wrath-of-the-gun-lobby.html?_r=0

Posted a couple of links. How sad is it that the NRA opposes technology that would limit the usage of handguns?

In the words of the NRA, this might lead to "opening the door to a ban on all guns that do not possess the government-required technology."

Except that no one at this point is even suggesting this technology be government mandated. Given the millions of legal guns currently in circulation, I am not even certain that such a requirement could even be technically or logistically feasible, let alone desirable.

But... leaving that aside for a moment, how deluded are people if they think that this is the beginning of some kind of gun-armageddon? No one is suggesting you give up normal guns, no one is suggesting that we get rid of them. This is just one way of protecting people from gun-related accidents and tragedies. In the words of the Daily Kos article,

I have no problem with Armatix promoting their "firearm" nor do I have a problem with anyone who wants to purchase one.

What I do have a problem with is state legislatures which are trying to pass firearms bills which will restrict the sale and possession of firearms that DON'T have this kind of technology. In some cases these proposed laws would restrict the sale or possession of ALL common firearms once this so called "safe" technology becomes available.

Massachusetts, New Jersey and Maryland already have the basic structure of such laws on their books and there is a definite push from the Obama administration to head in this direction on a national level.

From a strictly capitalist perspective it's obvious that Padilla wants Armatix to be in on the ground floor once some of these laws kick in.

Any sane examination of this kind of technology will show its extremely limited utility and the arguments for implementing it on a wide scale completely avoid common sense discussion of the defensive use of firearms. Logically, there can be no good reason to push this technology EXCEPT when it comes to limiting 2nd amendment rights.

Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/242500.pdf
 
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This premise of the gun design could serve as the basis for further improvement.
You can't improve the fundamentals of something that works as well as a traditional firearm. This is why I cannot take the "smart gun" argument seriously, the gun is a POS dude, there is nothing to "improve", everything about the initial design is flawed and useless to people who are in the know. Guys like me have been shooting for most of our lives, we know the ins and outs of firearms, and we know what works and what doesn't. This design is willing to trade ten major negatives for each possible and very minor positive.
 
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To improve the system
Did the wright brothers stop developing their aircraft design after the flight at kitty hawk?

You didn't answer the question...
 
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To improve the system
Did the wright brothers stop developing their aircraft design after the flight at kitty hawk?

See above post.

For the gun, you are going in the opposite direction as your plane example.
 
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See above post.

For the gun, you are going in the opposite direction as your plane example.

The purpose of the safe gun is to design a gun that only fires if the owner pulls the trigger, and hopefully eliminate accidental deaths due to user error.
 
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I serve honorably in the military, abide by the law, pay my taxes and participate in the political process. Surly those are behaviors of a patriotic citizen.
I think it all depends on how you behave when people disagree with you.
 
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