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Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'[W:196]

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I assume that means you're OK with convicted felons, even violent ones, having access to firearms.
I personally know a convicted violent felon who is having his gun rights restored next year. He was convicted for involuntary manslaughter for a hunting accident where he killed a friend. He's not a violent person, but he is a convicted felon of a violent crime. All things considered I have no problem with his owning firearms because as I said, he's not a violent person.
 
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I have a feeling that Bloomberg's cash infusion is going to be the turning point against NRA dominance regarding the Second Amendment.

So far, the Bloomberg sponsored group has not questioned whether or not the Second Amendment is an individual right. This sets them far apart from past gun control groups.

Rather, the new "Moms" group has attacked the NRA for obstructing back grounds checks via private seller loopholes, their fixation with AR-15 clones, their expansion of "Stand Your Ground" laws to new states, and support of "carry a weapon to a bar" type laws.

If this group can keep affirming the Second Amendment and only attack NRA obsessions, my guess is that they are not only going to attract anti gunner, but moderate gun owners as well.

you sort of brand yourself permanently disqualified from being taken seriously when you talk about the private sale loophole.
 
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I assume that means you're OK with convicted felons, even violent ones, having access to firearms.

If they are sufficiently dangerous as to justify stripping them of their basic rights, then I am not OK with them being allowed to be part of free society. Such need to be permanently removed therefrom, either by putting them to death, or else by keeping them in prison for life with no possibility of parole.

It is, of course, those on your side who oppose proper treatment of the most dangerous and unreformable of criminals, instead preferring to turn them loose, so that you can use them as an excuse to further violate the rights of honest citizens under the fraudulent guise of fighting crime.
 
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Not really a fair comparison. The Edsel wasn't a failure because it was in inherently bad product; it was a failure because the market for automobiles shifted in a different direction, at that time, than Ford anticipated. The Edsel was a big, elegant, luxurious car, at a time when consumers were trending toward smaller, more practical cars.

Nevertheless, this “smart gun” is a product that more richly deserves the Edsel's fate:

The Edsel could have been improved with more market, it was ahead of it's time to be honest, but the drawback is that the concept was put on the market before the actual electronic everything could be reliable enough to sustain the car. Great concept, poor rollout due to the limitations of the day. The analogy fails on my end in retrospect because the smart guns have no potential at all on the back end, they just suck.
 
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you are ignorant as to what is going on. Every couple years someone has some "safer" gun and the anti gun assholes in office quickly bray that all guns should be "as safe". I tire of people who have no understanding of proper tactical firearms use in a civilian environment piping up about stuff that is a wet dream for gun banners

So in other words, any and all advancements in gun technology that don't involve making them more killy should be immediately destroyed without prejudice, because otherwise the shadowy cabal of "gun banners" will rain fire and brimstone on the gun-owning community.
 
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NRA = lobbying for gun manufacturers.

this is the slur that the anti gun movement has come up with. Its a lie and its stupid but the ARC thinks it will be effective.
 
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You must have an incredibly fast computer. Mine is set to 10 posts per page...and....you are on page 10. No wonder I didn't see you. But now that I have.....I see you have overwhelmed the opponent with links to stats. But I don't consider that bullying...just a poor debate tactic. So what do you do when someone actually challenges your overwhelming data with other factual data? If I recall you just walk away. Again, I don't consider that bullying, either. Congratulations, you pass the non-bully test, Jerry. ;)
There comes a point where the best thing to do is just walk away, yes. If it looks like we're just going to sit there page after page and bash each-other over the head with links, never really getting anywhere, yes I will just leave a thread.

I tend to hang around when there's progress in the discussion, and no it doesn't have to be progress in my favor, either. If it's evident that someone is actually digesting the links I put up, I'll hang around for more. But if we're each just playing source-wars, there's no real point.
 
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If they are sufficiently dangerous as to justify stripping them of their basic rights, then I am not OK with them being allowed to be part of free society. Such need to be permanently removed therefrom, either by putting them to death, or else by keeping them in prison for life with no possibility of parole.

It is, of course, those on your side who oppose proper treatment of the most dangerous and unreformable of criminals, instead preferring to turn them loose, so that you can use them as an excuse to further violate the rights of honest citizens under the fraudulent guise of fighting crime.

"My side" does that, huh? How so? Which "most dangerous and unreformable of criminals" do you see liberals clamoring to turn loose?
 
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Of course you do. That's yet another way for a corrupt government to violate the most essential of Constitutional rights, by imposing an arbitrary training requirement, and then making that training difficult and/or expensive to obtain. Those on your side can always be counted on to support any way that government can violate the people's rights, under the fraudulent guise of “safety”.

You're so worried about the government taking away your guns, but your practically first in line to have the government ban the new safety gun. Interesting, don't you think?
 
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"My side" does that, huh? How so? Which "most dangerous and unreformable of criminals" do you see liberals clamoring to turn loose?

What's your position on the death penalty for convicted murderers?
 
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They used to be a good organization whose main function was to teach gun safety. But not anymore. Money changes everything and not always for the better.

they had to change when the Democraps adopted Gun control in the 1960s in order to prove that Dems were not "soft on crime" as Nixon effectively argued. Gun control allowed the Dems to dishonestly claim they were

1) doing something about crime

2) without actually calling for tougher sentences on black street criminals and thus upsetting one of their major constituencies

3) and if it hurt gun owners-the Dems didn't care

when th NRA mobilized to fight these idiotic gun control measures which had no intent to actually stop crime, the Dems pushed more gun control to punish the NRA
 
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Right on cue with the bullying and intimidation.

I worry about someone who considers the truth to be "bullying and intimidation"
 
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You're so worried about the government taking away your guns, but your practically first in line to have the government ban the new safety gun. Interesting, don't you think?

I don't see where anyone is calling for government to ban these “smart guns”. I certainly have not.
 
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You clearly dont understand the difference between a challenge and a treat....typical.

is that a new Halloween game?
 
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A "safe gun" sounds like a oxymoron.

only to people who are ignorant

a safe gun is the following

1) one that safely handles the ammunition for which it is chambered
2) and only fires when the trigger is pulled

all of my guns are thus "Safe"
 
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What's your position on the death penalty for convicted murderers?

I'm against state sanctioned murder. I never said to let them out of prison.
 
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It's disappointing that only two people in this thread seem to be bothered by the woman's harassment.

If gun enthusiasts value 'rights' then they should oppose those who are harassing her and realize/recognize how creepy and dangerous THAT behavior is. What will responses be if she ends up being shot or harassed further as a result? Why? Because she thinks a product is beneficial and good and so she sells it?
was there any real proof of harassment?
 
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I personally know a convicted violent felon who is having his gun rights restored next year. He was convicted for involuntary manslaughter for a hunting accident where he killed a friend. He's not a violent person, but he is a convicted felon of a violent crime. All things considered I have no problem with his owning firearms because as I said, he's not a violent person.
How did he get the charge? Drinking during the hunt, failure to follow hunting law, or was it a negligent shot? I'm curious because I've seen a few hunting accidents without any charges filed, things can happen when you go on a hunt and fortunately laws do allow for accidents for the most part.
 
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was there any real proof of harassment?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/us/politics/smart-firearm-draws-wrath-of-the-gun-lobby.html?_r=0
BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. — Belinda Padilla does not pick up unknown calls anymore, not since someone posted her cellphone number on an online forum for gun enthusiasts. A few fuming-mad voice mail messages and heavy breathers were all it took.

Then someone snapped pictures of the address where she has a P.O. box and put those online, too. In a crude, cartoonish scrawl, this person drew an arrow to the blurred image of a woman passing through the photo frame. “Belinda?” the person wrote. “Is that you?”

It's quite literally the lede of the NY Times piece in the OP.
 
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So in other words, any and all advancements in gun technology that don't involve making them more killy should be immediately destroyed without prejudice, because otherwise the shadowy cabal of "gun banners" will rain fire and brimstone on the gun-owning community.
When the engineer isn't someone with firearms experience, it's kind of hard to put any kind of faith behind the engineer.
 
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It is, of course, those on your side who oppose proper treatment of the most dangerous and unreformable of criminals, instead preferring to turn them loose, so that you can use them as an excuse to further violate the rights of honest citizens under the fraudulent guise of fighting crime.

"My side" does that, huh? How so? Which "most dangerous and unreformable of criminals" do you see liberals clamoring to turn loose?

What's your position on the death penalty for convicted murderers?

I'm against state sanctioned murder.

Quod erat demonstrandum.
 
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When the engineer isn't someone with firearms experience, it's kind of hard to put any kind of faith behind the engineer.

The engineer's qualifications don't seem to be entering into TD's argument at all.

Again, I'm not saying this is good tech or that it should be mandatory or anything like that, just that the actions of certain gun enthusiasts in this particular instance are reprehensible. (Standard disclaimer lest I get accused of wanting to "ban guns" by certain zealots around here)
 
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Quod erat demonstrandum.

Way to cut off the second part of my quote where I said I didn't advocate releasing them. Dishonesty, thy name is Mr. Blaylock.
 
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Who is forcing it anyone by projecting?
This discussion has become toe the NRA line like they all do, though less vitriolic .
No, but it should not be forced on anyone...
 
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Then prove it.



I think gun safety courses should be mandatory to buying and owning a gun and I seriously doubt the majority of gun owners ever took one.
I think being as well educated as I am on gun issues gun use and gun laws should be mandatory before one posts on gun issues or more importantly, votes on a gun bill in congress

that would eliminate ALL of the anti gun posters and more importantly, every anti gun politician from voting
 
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